'Andrew Tate phenomena' surges in schools - with boys refusing to talk to female teacher

Its also just kinda gay. Wanting a man to dominate everything you do is just gay

I remember in the first few years after 9/11 when you had Islamophobes talking about Islamic radicalism and comparing western culture to Islamic culture in what was, retrospectively, the most arrogant and extremely naieve view imaginable. Basically envisioning the entirety of the west in the late 90s and early 2000s as the west always being like that and the then status quo was done via some philosophical debate and innate characteristics instead of whatever was politically and economically convenient at the time.

I wonder where those people are today? Seeing just how legit fragile their whole order really was and how quickly it is unraveling.

Honestly, at this point, I'm on board with just banning social media algorithms entirely. No more personalized feeds. You can have a website that publishes whatever you want, but you can't tailor individual feeds to individual people. People can replace their "feed" with what the original internet was meant to be - visiting a series of websites. Want to read nothing but right wing blogs? Fine. You can spend all day navigating to different URLs for them. But no more spoon feeding individually personalized content to people.

It turns out that method of content delivery is just a very dangerous and damaging technology that really fucks with the workings of the human mind. If you tell AI to build an ideal feed model for a person, it builds a nightmare that traps human beings in skinner boxes.

We can ban these algorithms. We don't have to continue to tolerate their existence. And in the grand scheme of history, it would be no different than a thousand other things that we discovered, at first thought was a panacea, but eventually decided the benefits weren't worth the costs. Asbestos is a fantastic fireproof insulator, but we willingly let those benefits go in lieu of its severe respiratory effects. DDT is an incredible pest killer and insecticide, but it also was rendering entire species of birds extinct. Targeted, individually tailored social media algorithms create entertainment feeds that can entertain us to such degrees that the kings of old would lament their jesters in comparison. But what these algorithms are doing to us, what they are doing to our society? On political polarization? The effects they are having not just on children, but of people of all ages? We as a society need to recognize that the benefits just aren't worth the costs. We are tearing our civilization apart for the sake of cheap entertainment.

We need to ban targeted social media feeds. We have faced technologies like this before. We have made the choice before to give up the benefits of these things for the sake of the greater good. We've done it before, and we can do it again. It is time we ban targeted social media feeds.

Dude, we're all stupid. We are all effected by the Internet and propaganda algorithms. We are not superior, most of us just don't realise we're programmed. Exactly the same as Gen Alpha, Zoomers, Gen X and Boomers. We're all profiled and we all see how everyone else is a victim of indoctrination. That's how this works, social engineering innit?

The problem is that parents - apparently - have no interest in educating their children anymore. They just place their kids in front of a PC or give them an iPad so they can watch TV or something.

Forbidding people from accessing the internet is going to raise a generation of children unfamiliar with it and then drifting off completely. Just look at the NK soldiers when they were shipped to russia and first had access to the internet. Half of them became porn addicts.

is like letting them walk NYC alone at night during the 70s.

One can get smart doing such—at times very quickly.

The problem is unfettered access, not access at all.

Facebook was tame.

It's twitter, reddit, instagram, and tiktok that really set people off. They just weren't prepared to handle the forces at play when you let people communicate with no accountability.

Glad I grew up realizing that most people on the internet are just losers who can't function in the real world so they use the digital space as a crutch.

Really makes it easier to deal with the hysteria, apathy, narcissism, insecurity, and cognitive dissonance I see from many users.

Idiocracy isn't just a great movie that holds up, it's a accurate depiction of the future and it has electrolytes, it's what plants crave

looks around

… the future is now.

Uhh, I mean, yes. But that's not the big own you think it is. He is SPECIFICALLY targeting children. It's the entire basis of his grift.

Except social media raised the current parents of the Day. It's been 20 years dude. People don't know any different.

What if their parents are shitty and encouraging this type of behavior?

The Andrew tate type people tend to have kids because they want sex and that's all they think about. They don't think critically about contraception, or long term decision making. Then they either abandon the child/mother, or raise it to be an asshole.

Ironically jokes about the internet raising children is very old. There was a comic strip in Mad Magazine from the late 90s that had a boy go ask his mom 'mom, if God made everything, who made God?' She replies to go ask his dad, and when he does his dad replies, ' go ask the internet!'

It is still funny, but given the incredible amount of disinformation out there it just is a really bad idea.

I grew up on hip-hop music. I still am addicted to it... But damn that culture is awful. Most regular people think it's just entertainment and art.... But that culture is deep and evil. I get disgusted with myself after listening to "real rap". I understand and feel it but at the same time feel as though I'm nurturing a negative part of my soul when I listen to it or celebrate it.

I guess I related your comment to music raising me in the 90s and 00s.

If their dads are so shitty, how come they got to have kids?

Who keeps having sex with these awful men and enabling their toxicity?

"That fucking stupid bitch woman teacher gave me an F because (insert misogynistic mental gymnastics to make it her fault for being female here)"

They can listen to Tate all they want, provided they get straight As.

(or maybe 1 hour of Tate for every 3 hours of feminists such as Gloria Steinem)

I'd think by their fathers, so that it doesn't pidgeon hole them into further misogyny

So what happens when they grow up and start beating you senseless because they learned that violence is a quick and easy way to get people to do what you want them to do, rather than something to be used as a last resort?

Speaking of Sacha Baron Cohen, here's Ali G's take on feminism.

He is a complete character like Borat, he just doesn´t know.

I do wonder if he’s playing an act or just found a way to make money…it’s shitty either way.

The problem isn't that we need to get rid of Tate. They are like flies and there will always be more like him.

What we need to figure out is what made him so persuasive to young boys - that's the real problem. We need to know why young boys are willing to listen to bullshit like his, and we must figure out what we can do to correct that.

“There are too many assholes in the world because people let them get away with it.” - Mr Inbetween

3 games each with a woman: chess, poker, and billiards (1 8-ball, 1 snooker, and 1 carom)

Tbh he'd probably win. He's a decent martial artist.

Tate is too busy rolling his scapula up to give the appearance of traps to get into a fight.

He already converted to Islam

I've already raised 3 wonderful & respectful children into mostly functional men, but if I had ever gotten a call like that, the child in question wouldn't have had a phone or seen another webpage until after they moved out as an adult.

Alternate idea: it’s not my job to raise someone else’s kids.

That's the whole point of screaming about "liberal" or "leftist" media for all this time even when most media outlets are owned by for profit orgs. They usually have to comply with laws. On social media you've been able to lie as much as you want without consequence or being called out. Corporations mostly use this to market to children and get them addicted to gambling.

You know you're actually right on the money, and it's a little startling that it never occurred to me before. Shit.

Yep, that's why the only way to be a good parent nowadays is to not give your kids smart phones or computers of their own. There was a time when it was kinda ok for them to have those devices, but that time is permanently in the past.

And, part of the reason for that is section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996.

No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.

If a TV station or radio station has a call-in show and the caller swears, it's the station that gets fined. If the station runs a late night informercial where someone is defamed, the station is liable. But, do it online and you're fine. The YouTube algorithm can pick out the juiciest, most controversial, most slanderous content and shove it into everyone's recommendations and only the person who posted that content is responsible.

Section 230 makes sense in some situations. If you're running a bulletin board without any kind of algorithm promoting posts, then it makes sense that you shouldn't be held accountable for what someone says in that bulletin board. But, YouTube, Twitch, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc. have all taken it too far. They don't personally create the content, but they have algorithms that analyze the content and decide who to show it to. They get the protections of a bulletin board, while curating the content to make it even more engaging than a segment on Newsmax or MSNBC.

It used to be that to put something in front of kids it had to approved by some sane adult.

I love how you got a ton of upvotes by vaguely gesturing at the past.

When was this time you speak of?

What has changed is the social fabric of society has been ripped up.

Is everybody going insane because of social media

Well I can tell you its broken the minds of most of the old people I know, especially fakebook. Old people are seemingly unable to tell fact from fiction online, I mean all people have trouble with that to an extent but its hitting the older people especially hard. Most of them seem to think everything they are seeing from pure political propaganda to obviously fake advertising is 100% real.

We are headed for a world where half the people believe nothing and the other half believe everything which will be a disaster.

Divide and conquer 1%er propaganda systems.

When I was 10, or 13 there were literally no issues like this at all

Dunno when you were 10 or 13, but I will assume it's not true. Stuff like "Boys don't cry, you're not a girl are you?" were very common in the 80s and 90s. It wasn't as bad as today, but the foundations were already in place.

I was a rotten kid growing up with distant parents and a hostile sister.

If I'd had access to porn and comics without leaving the house, I'd have become one of these people.

This is why the tech bros don't want their kids growing up looking at screens.

Yes lol

Sorry but that's absolutely not true.

Boys not being allowed to cry, being man enough, strong enough has always been a thing since before anyone who touched the Internet was born.

This isn't new at all.

Murica is doing typical murica things.

Yeah. It's sort of insanely ironic, to me, that it seems like the prevailing attitude in this comment section is to just eat this, hook, line, and sinker. Everyone's consuming internet disinformation that reinforces their biases right here. The exact thing they're complaining about, with the newer generation. Just as low, in terms of literacy, or the ability to distinguish. Everyone's so insanely eager to cite whatever anecdote their friend's friend who works at a school gives them, without a second thought, about how the kids today are just worse than the kids of yesteryear, and how social media is surely to blame. Reactive response to just ban your kids from using technology at all, which is a pretty good way to get them alienated from their peers and also not prevent anything at all since their peers will probably also be fully willing to expose them to whatever they get exposed to. It's awesome to see every generation become boomers over time, really cool.

I mean, I've worked as a teacher for eleven years and I don't know a single person who doesn't think that social media contributed to declining behavior standards. When I say, 'a single person', I am referring to other teachers or administrators. I am not using hyperbole. Nobody thinks it is good, everyone thinks it's bad, and every year we tighten the noose.

This is across three school districts and nine grade levels.

This is absolutely a kind of rage-bait.

I don't doubt that there's a growing segment of misogynistic boys who have been influenced by Tate and our society's general check-out when it comes to being communal and supporting each other and the absolute bullshit mess that social media and online dating has created for young relationships, the statistics are abysmal and worrying...

But that said, the large majority of all Americans at any age are still pretty much just getting through it like always.

These kinds of stories, while beneficial that they are highlight and showing us problems that need to be addressed, all they're doing without a prescriptive solution or counter-point is just wedging this division in our community further and further apart. It's making girls scared of boys. It's making boys scared that girls will think they're horrible misogynists, and thus they will be defensive at the ready accusations and the exchanges spiral from there.

It's revolting that we cling to hateful figures so readily. They give us validation for pent-up frustration and anger at a system that has abandoned us. That's why it's addicting to read about horrible things and horrible people. Which makes horrible things and horrible people. Our addiction to hating people is creating people like Tate, because our desire to hate someone makes us click on these stories over and over and feel that righteous outrage that seems to make everything make sense. It's addicting and we need to recognize it and stop imbibing in it.

Teachers have been complaining about the "manosphere" shit for a while

It’s a shame teachers are pressured to “curve grade” rather than just flunk these people and hold them back a grade.

Something is really breaking down and I think social media is at the center of it.

I feel like you could apply this to almost every societal crisis we’re facing. It’s like social media took every little crack in the foundation and turned it into a chasm.

It is different, because never in human history has it been easier to influence people. We are literally addicted, as in the brain is literally addicted, to our little disinformation device, the output of which is largely controlled by malicious powerful entities. Now add impressionable young brains to the mix.

It is a pretty terrible scenario with no obvious solution.

I am, not great at parenting, I've made hella mistakes. I've only one son and do my best.

The number of teachers/therapists (my son works a few programs for his needs) that have been floored by my willingness to parent and hold my son accountable for his actions, is far too high.

While I'll take the compliment being "a breath of fresh air" (an actual compliment from a therapist) it bothers me more parents cant take thier own faults to accountability nor hold their children to any standard of conduct really saddens me. I shouldn't be a wildflower in a field of dirt, it should be a field of flowers damn. A silly metaphor but you get my point hopefully.

Covid really fucked them in not getting normal socialization at school and put a lot of kids behind by a couple of years accedemically. Right now 4/5th grade and up are really screwed. Plus parents just aren't engaged.