Life Goes On

You're not wrong but fuckin hell, that's one way to put it.

Because of the way comments are ordered, I thought for a second that you were replying to the guy saying "being a ghost might be fun too"

Fair enough, I think yours is also a valid interpretation.

I just want to clarify: with "just be happy" energy, I meant the tendency of people to suggest seemingly simple fixes to others struggling with mental health. Even, if they work for oneself and even if it works statistically (for example sport is a good habit against depression), it feels like talking the problem down. But that is highly subjective of course.

Ok, what do you mean by checking myself first?

I just commented on how I personally perceived the comic. I also said that I believe that the comic was made with good intentions.

Ultimately, I am just someone on the Internet. I have no illusion that my comments here matter. Though, I do have first and second hand experience with depression and suicide if that matters, which it does not.

And yes in many ways I am extremely privileged when it comes to this topic, e.g. my healthcare insurance is not tied to my employer as I don't live in the US. I would like to know how that has anything to do with my comment above though.

What do you mean with "they just don't want to"?

Quitting your job, potentially losing your shelter and food supply is a hell of a risk. Presume one actually wants to get better, they first need to be well enough to handle such a risk. Otherwise, they are homeless and suicidal: A great recipe to get well /s

I can upload some data for you.

I have a phone call a to crisis centers who told me "you don't have a crisis" and hung up on me. I have a recording of an on-call psychiatrist tossing me out of the ER after saying "don't try making this my responsibility" after I literally said I'm afraid I'll hurt myself or others, and asked what happens if I walk out of there and toss myself under a truck. "Don try making this my responsibility." Like, my man, it's literally your legal duty ffs.

I've got photos of an isolation cell the cops put me because they denied me my prescription meds and I went a bit cuckoo from the way they treated me. (absolutely no information of rights I didn't know if I was detained or arrested or to be put in prison), and I drew over 300 words in my own blood on the walls. No-one helped. Up for three days, supposedly under supervision. The only thing I got was them cutting off my water and snide remarks bullying me on the radio.

Several dozen doctors who've just dismissed me.

Literally all of my family and friends, when I even carefully try to talk about suicidal ideation, they'll cut me off for months and months. My mom hasn't rang me for several years to ask me how I am. Yet they all pretend it's my fault and my personal failing that I'm not getting help, because every single one thinks "not my responsibility", and that includes an on-call psychiatrist I told I'm afraid of harming people.

So yeah, kindly fuck off with your victim blaming.

"significant hurdles Which most people don't actually have"

Interesting argument against privilege... buddy, we know you've had an easy life so far, which is great for you, yet no one thinks this way due to careful observation of others.

First of all, it's sterile and I like the taste.

Sometimes people can't see the way out of misery, and it's valid and tragic. It doesn't mean there is no way, it just means they need help. Not help with tying a noose, but help with their problems.

US only and still 30$ to 70$ per session !

Life is also full of people thinking that if others followed their exact steps there would be no way they could turn their life around. They're often just as wrong.

Fully agree with this comment. This is why I always tell young people "if you don't know what you want to do, chase money"; because it you find out you want to do something else but you're not rich enough to do it, you're screwed

Just because the variables are different doesn't mean you can't find a correct answer. There are no two situations that are the exact same. The comic is just a success story for motivation.. is it really that deep? Pessimism must be exhausting.

Oo-de-lally!

Oh shit blaming the victim

Now Lemmy is cooking for sure

Do you see every comic as an ad for the comic?

That's very much easier said than done. Aa life is often not so easy to find a better version of but more often a different version.

The advice of stay alive because at least you keep experiencing new things is good advice. Trying for better is a nice idea but a message of do what it takes to make your life "better" is... Fantasy in a way that feels off to me.

I could tell the story of the night I tried to drown myself and all that changed since then but it wouldn't be better persay. Just changed. The story would sound like meandering prose and little purpose.

I don't understand the myth of better. It causes misery more in those that do not find it.

Oh I am always in favor of life. Suicide is messy, painful and leaves a lot of people with less in their life.

It's just not a solution as much as a new start point searching for something that doesn't exist and will likely lead you back to having to do it again.

People can do what they need to or want but I see no comfort for those that follow trying to get a better life. That is why I feel sad seeing people recommending it I guess.
We don't find utopia on the other side of tomorrow, just more tomorrows.

People do prefer company to being told. I lost my brother to suicide, really messed me up bad. I did some volunteer work on a suicide prevention service, and people really just want a little bit of your time in the immediate sense, and social support structure long term. Most people have this with families, but it can get really bad when that falls apart due to anything negative in that space of their life.

I know the saying is supposed to mean ''you'd rather make other people miserable than work on yourself'' but in a social sense, company works a lot better than telling someone it's not working and walking away.

I get it, though. It is sending a good message through a personal story. But it is fucked up, though much like the topic of suicide itself, so it is probably inescapable.

The message was botched, though. The cartoonist said they can show evidence that "we" (the passive you, whatever) can change our lives, but the only evidence was about themself. I believe they don't know shit about anyone elses life or problems and are falling on survivor bias saying "just do what I did!".

Depression isn't caused by laziness. There's clinical trials and everything, fascinating stuff if you want to look into it.

Hold on to those good days.

I'm not sure what you mean. But I suspect that is cope.

Are you sure that's not some kind of kink of yours?