Quick, agree to their budget!!

Don't forget Ol' Faithful: "Left-Wing Communism - An Infantile Disorder. Gotta be in the running for most temper tantrum-y title in history lol.

Yeah, in particular I know that being shipped from one Soviet Republic to a gulag in another was, and still is, referred to as being "deported, " e.g.

Oh I gotcha, sorry for the misread!

Right that's what I'm saying, I grew up Catholic and nobody ever said "Pastor X" because that's a protestant thing

Yeah exactly. Like, I'm not Christian anymore so I'm not saying it's bad to not to go church, but like, are all the people arguing about this Christmas Catholics or something??? I've never heard of a Catholic who goes to weekly mass calling their priest "Pastor" lol

These people who have obviously never been Catholic are really down on the whole "Catholics use Father and Pastor interchangeably" thing lol. This is crazy. A Catholic wouldn't address their priest as "Pastor" holy shit.

If someone tells me to use a certain pronoun I will, but my default has been "they" for a long time now. Gendered pronouns in general are a terrible idea, linguistically at the very least.

"You should really read more theory on how authoritarianism actually isn't authoritarianism."

"The proletariat are in control" gets jailed for forming a union

He's just being a pedantic asshole

Accelerationism is a hell of a drug. You would have thought they would learn something from Weimar Germany, but no.

Oh I definitely think my position is more informed by anarchist traditions (eg, see my username lol) than socialist traditions, but it's not exactly anarchism either. I'm never really sure what label to use tbh.

Fair enough, I guess I find myself in an awkward place between socdem and socialist then, but the more radical end of the reformist spectrum fits. Not sure what to call that, other than reformism vaguely inspired by more libertarian socialism and sub-municipalism.

Ah I see. I definitely have more learning to do than. In that case how is libertarian socialism socialism? Doesn't that definition invalidate basically everything but vanguardism?

But that inherently means liberal, no? I was under the impression that social democrats supported private ownership of the means of production. If you believe that should be illegal doesn't that mean you can't be a social Democrat?

That's true, but i don't know if it's fair to say that mandating employee ownership is anything other than socialist. Not Marxist, sure. Certainly leftist. But isn't employee ownership and governance of the means of production, by definition, socialism?

I know, but that's slowly changing. And I think that's more true among the most politically engaged people. But that's true of every group, if you go to in person conservative groups you'll only find the worst of the worst on the farthest right. I'm not convinced it's not the same phenomenon with socialists. But idk, I'm just talking out of my ass at this point honestly.

Agree, but socialism doesn't have to be Marxist. Like, Rojava is pretty rad and that's, if anything, just the most modern iteration of libertarian socialism.

Listen man I know I'm edging pretty close to "no true Scotsman," but hear me out... it's not that it wasn't "true socialism," but whether something is socialist economically isn't necessarily tied to authoritarianism. Like, fuck tankies, but also I do think that combining market economics and truly representative democracy with proportional representation and freedom of speech and association with socialist ownership structures (as in the abolition of corporate governance from any input from, frankly, absentee "owners") is the move. Socialism doesn't have to be authoritarian, nor does it have to be against market economics. Ya know?