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Suyu, a potential replacement for Yuzu
Suyu, a potential replacement for Yuzu
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The lawsuit against Yuzu is going to have the exact opposite effect they hope.
All it's doing is increasing public awareness of the project, and because it's open source it will just sprout more heads like a hydra, and it will live on forever.
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I really doubt that they are that stupid. My guess is that they are hoping to hinder the development of the project for a bit to delay the switch 2 implementation in yuzu or a future switch 2 focused fork.
Also, all the ppl that were directly associated with the group are no longer legally allowed (or at least would risk a lawsuit against them) to contribute. So a lot of expertise got lost.
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Exactly this. Nintendo lawyers were after the people, not the project. Else they'd go after Ryujinx too (they may still to be fair)
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Okay, how would sintendo know if some of the original Yuzu devs are working on it if there is no trail leading back to them? If I were a Yuzu dev, I'd just start a new account and get right back to work on a fork that is gaining traction just to spite those subhumans working for a legal dictatorship.
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This is the correct answer.
It's like destroying a barracks full of elite soldiers and then going, "Don't worry. We have plenty more barracks."
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They have no way of knowing who they verbally communicate with if they’re intent on passing along info at least lol
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I really doubt that they are that stupid.
I wasn't referring to the Yuzu core team.
all the ppl that were directly associated with the group are no longer legally allowed (or at least would risk a lawsuit against them) to contribute. So a lot of expertise got lost.
Sure, the core "Yuzu" team. That doesn't include any of the external contributors. There's very often a larger contributor base outside of a core team in FOSS projects.
And yes, there's expertise that was lost. But that doesn't mean no one else knows how to do the work. It will march onwards.
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The devs had years of experience with 2 very successful emulators . Any new project would require some serious knowledge of the switch and low level programming in a variety of domains. There are a handful of people able to do that. Im guessing they were all either working on yuzu or ryujinx. The yuzu team is no longer allowed to work on emulation so that just leaves ryujinx who are already working on their own.
I want the forks to succeed but its not your standard program we are talking about. Then we have the fact that any successor would have an immediate target on them. Thats a tall ask for anyone.
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That's what everyone tells themselves because "haha Nintendo stupid".
No it's not going to have the opposite effect. Best case scenario a different team will take over the project and continue, which is not impossible, but far from a given. More awareness to an abandoned project? Yes, but the entire point is that Yuzu developers won't add Switch 2 support, and that was assured.
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No it's not going to have the opposite effect.
It will. The nature of the project will shift from a core team like Yuzu had to a decentralized process. If they avoid the legal pitfalls that killed Yuzu (like donations) then there's little to nothing that Nintendo can do legally.
There's already a project forked from Yuzu called Suyu that has a ton of activity on it. To me it looks like all the external contributors have jumped on to that new project and are working on removing all references to Yuzu and they will continue the work.
The dev process has absolutely been temporarily halted and significantly slowed down, but it's not going to stop.
Best case scenario a different team will take over the project and continue, which is not impossible, but far from a given.
It happened within 24hrs of the news.
More awareness to an abandoned project?
The binaries for Yuzu and all the tutorials still exist. Everything that has worked on Yuzu until now will continue to work forever. The news has simply increased awareness to the average person that you can play Switch games on a computer. People who otherwise would never have known about it.
And all of this completely ignores another still existing Switch emulation project that was just as capable as Yuzu that has existed for just as long.
So yes, it is ABSOLUTELY going to have the opposite effect. At the very "best", Nintendo won an empty victory.
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The only thing im absolutely sure is this it's going to fuel rage agains this shit in some people, which being honest is what we need.
Im so feed up with us buying something just to not own it, that alegation about being unable to give instruccions to people to download info from their devices (the keys) is absolute bs.
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"We are trying to get the builds working." And begging for contributors on discord. This isn't a real project, just a reupload of yuzu's source code with some overly optimistic aspirations.
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No Android builds :(
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The fact that they actually have
dynarmicandsiritsources puts this one a step ahead of the failed-and-now-closed Nuzu fork.
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Building a community around Discord ain’t it
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I hope the former Yuzu developers can coalesce into one or two projects and continue their work on a completely different project like Suyu, with other repos syncing to it in case it gets taken down later.
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Calling Suyu a "completely different project" is a bit misleading. :D Because it's just Yuzu with a rebranding or renaming. I don't think the former Yuzu developers will work on any fork of Yuzu, which is probably part of the settlement.
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Not likely to happen, since part of the settlement requires all of the devs to stop work on all emulators permanently. It’s not worth the personal risk that they’d be taking on, because they’d be violating the agreement and opening themselves up to direct personal liability. For this lawsuit, they were shielded by the Yuzu LLC. But if they violate that agreement, they’d be opening themselves up to personal liability instead. And nobody wants to be owned by Nintendo for life like Gary Bowser.
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So is this stock Yuzu without any changes? IIRC the legal issue was something about circumventing copy protection, so would this project be subject to the same issues?
Also, how do I verify that this fork isn't malware wrapped in emulator code?
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Also, how do I verify that this fork isn't malware wrapped in emulator code?
The code is open source, you read it all, ensure that you download exactly the code you read, and you compile it yourself. That’s the only way, in general, to accomplish this.
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