Americans Believe Russian Disinformation ‘To Alarming Degree’

One easy trick that makes you immune to propaganda - simply respond "not sure" to every question you're ever asked. It doesn't really even save you though because they'll just lump you in with the people who chose the wrong answer. The site repeatedly uses the phrase, "failed to identify as false" to group the "not sures" in with the incorrect responses.

There's an almost endless way to present poll numbers and survey results to support whatever conclusion you like, you could say that "fewer than half the respondents were able to identify this claim as false," or you could say, "80% of respondents avoided incorrectly labeling this claim as true," depending on what narrative you prefer. And that's assuming that the raw data itself, which comes from an internet survey, is reliable and representative.

anti-vaxxers was also pushed by russia too, it made sense since russias own people refused to take the machine, because it worked too well.

While it's definitely the KGB's handbook, I think they got a little help from Al-Qaida with 9/11. They deserve some of the credit as well for helping steer America this way. Victory to Russia. Victory to Al-Qaida.

Anyone who has ever talked to a Republican knows this. Whenever you point out half the bullshit coming out of their mouth has been debunked, they just spout some bullshit about the MSM and source being "biased". Friend, reality is biased against your 🤡 ass.

The funny thing is the electoral college was created to protect us from this, but it's kinda the whole reason we're where we are.

Yes, this level of control over how the populace thinks is a step along the path toward turning human beings into livestock. I'm not fond of it.

aka kleptocracy

• newsmax, oan, brebart and any of the right wing grifters like POOLE, shapiro, owens, ROEGAN, j peterson.

the last 2 having the most significant impact on men.

the absolute rage and betrayal felt by a non-trivial number of diverse, dem leaning coalition members was not artificial in the least and needed no outside aggitation to make it one of thousands of dem self-inflicted papercuts that bled the soul out of dem support.

my family has consistently voted against the fascist monster, but the dems have helped hand the country over to them for decades. the republicans made the monster, but the dems failed to bar the door and seal the windows. neo-liberalism (even by the most gentle definition) is imploding globally in a spectacular way.

it was artificial, early on in the gaza genocide, the protests were taced right back to putin, it was so blatant that a "muslim, claimed they arnt supporting biden anymore", the only influence muslim has was in michigan, and not the whole voting population.

and then it came out some of the protest were also funded by the likes of seinfelds WIFE.

That and all the bad faith arguments about "the Republicans did something terrible; this is all the Democrats' fault".

A lot of the infighting from among the left during the past election felt pretty artificial, to be perfectly honest, and most of the "Genocide Joe/Holocaust Harris" types seemed to just evaporate after the election ended.

They didn't go anywhere, I am one of those people, I will happily refer to Joe Biden as "Genocide Joe" for the rest of my life because of what he did in opening the door to the Palestinian Genocide. I also will keep labelling Trump, and Bush and Cheney and the whole lot of them as war criminals and in particular Trump is also even more in support of the Palestinian Genocide than Biden (which isn't a surprise to leftists that centrists think it is? Stop strawmanning the left).

Shame on you for letting the lazy narrative in your head that feels satisfying to pin on leftists become something you actually believe without evidence.

Hasan Piker making a speech to Pro-Palestinian anti-Genocide protestors from two weeks ago.

https://youtu.be/qZ-sXH2ra7k

Sure, I am sure there are Russian bots exploiting the centrist inability to understand how cataclysmic the Palestinian Genocide is for the U.S. and the world, but the centrist position of y'all just casually asking whether most of the anti-genocide voices during the run-up to the election weren't genuine is bullshit.

Do you understand how pathetic and divorced from your humanity it makes you look? This isn't a sports game where you pick teams based on what colors you like or where you are from, this is about being against genocide... of anybody anywhere.

Edit Downvote me and don't bother responding you coward who can't face up to the genocide being directly facilitated and endorsed by the U.S.

Yeah, the Russian trolls pretending to be "liberals" and constantly attacking only the Democrats for some weird reason are all over the place. And then there are the people stupid enough to fall for this nonsense, too...I know a few IRL, and man, they are so very tiresome.

Usually they have all kinds of excuses and absurd purity tests that no politician that is actually running would pass, and then they proudly do shit like stay home or throw their vote away on Jill Stein or whatever. They act like they won something by doing this, too.

But when it comes to the trolls and useful idiots, I've seen some places that seem to have been overrun with them. The comments on Boing Boing, once upon a time, used to be a pretty fun place. Some years go by and I come back later and try to engage in reasonable conversation and the little clique of self-reinforcing posters/ moderators that took over that place were having none of it. It was all maximalist identity politics and Oppression Olympics to the point of cartoonish levels, and constant ripping on the Democratic Party and "shitlibs". Any deviation, most especially if you made one of the anointed look bad? Deleted, almost immediately. Didn't matter how thoughtful.

Anyway, the comment section there seemed to be designed to create reactionaries. Anyone on the fence that happens to wander into some spectacle like that is bound to come away with some impressions about what liberals are like, and it's not going to look good.

They have since taken their comments behind a paywall, go figure. I hope that little clique is happy with policing any all minute deviations from what they believe is the One True Way to think. I doubt anyone is going to pay for that kind of treatment for long, so.... shrug?

"The civil war wasn't about slavery, it was about states rights"

For example, the confederate supporters say the war wasn't about slavery, but rather about states rights. Now, you ask, states rights to what? And then they don't have an answer somehow.

Yeah, lost cause bullshit. Not quite 250 years old, but pretty darned old.

True. But even in a state with a good election system the right wing nuts are on the rise.

To be honest, this is not directly caused by the US. Reason for this is propaganda/misinformation by states like Russia and China and (a)social media like Twitter, Facebook, TikTok,...

I expected that. But, is there specific statistics? Numbers? Graph? Pie Chart?

Yep. Poilievre, Brexit, Meloni, AFD, just off the top of my head.

while blue states arnt as bad as red state in funding education, it is still heavily underfunded, it might as well be bad as red areas in some cases, they have participation grades to run people through to graduation. i had a friend who dint want to be a public district teacher in the west, because starting salary was very low, plus they lock you into multi-year contracts . you can tell its bad when the armed services are trying to recruit in middle income areas, not poor but not rich more like close to the lower end of middle class. i noticed at least 2 of the branches are in 2 different malls where HS, college goers frequent.

our HS paraded around a handful of "succesful students who were getting scholarships" and tried to rub it into the rest of students faces, by piratically saying "look at these people, and look at you", of course everyone rolled thier eyes when they did this. i assume this was also common in the district, when people were struggling in certain classes they would shunt them all in to a "useless elective" class which is a babysitting class, so we dont affect the qouta and metrics statistics of the school for funding.

by the time around CC, there were mutlitudes of people struggling in arithmetic classes, not from the same school, as it mostly like a nationwide problem as people from all over us came to this cc because its cheap.

And are history as a nation is very white-washed, and even still it makes places like Florida have hurt feelings enough that they create laws to remove even the tiny bits of truth we actually still taught. You can't talk about black history, that is reverse discrimination! You can't talk about treating everyone fairly, that's the work of Satan's DEI program!

Using the rules/laws to further their racist/fascist views by talking in code and carefully crafted arguments that sounds "fair" to people with no critical thinking.

It's not so much that education has suddenly been defunded (for white people maybe). It's more that "education" has always been about privilege and indoctrination. It has always been directly opposed to "critical thinking".

“When you're born into this world, you're given a ticket to the freak show. If you're born in America you get a front row seat.”

― George Carlin

If you take money from an American businessman to go on an American TV show hosted by an American pundit with a big American flag in the background to join a conversation about how American politicians should vote on American policy, and then you finish the discussion by singing the Mexican anthem, is the entire enterprise captured by Gloria Shenbaum?

Ok, cool story. But nobody is singing the russian national anthem. I don't think any of these people are smart enough to know the words, tune, etc.

Literally not happening.

Russia

They're being sarcastic