They do have some prototypes but scaling to production for these sort of startups is always the killer.

No way can you make a whole motorcycle with a top speed of 200mph for 140kg

Why not? My ZX6R with a sprocket change will hit 200mph and it weighs 190kg including fuel. Take out the fuel, engine, sprockets, chain and it would be about 140-145kg. Add battery and hub motor.

Seems pretty simple really.

The Damon Hypersport Premier has a 20 kWh battery and a claimed weight of 217kg so my educated guess doesn’t seem far off.

Then I invite you to commute on a route with highways on one of these for a year and share your experiences because I’ve been riding for 20 years and Im speaking from my experience.

It’s unsuitable for highway use because car drivers are prone to murderous tantrums when they’re stuck behind someone actually doing the speed limit.

That’s just my opinion but too many motorcyclists who disagreed aren’t alive to argue the point.

Petrol powered motorcycles are plenty of fun and available cheap. If you were really interested in some weekend riding you could make that a reality any time.

I suspect you won’t regardless of price because most people don’t get into motorcycles, probably in part because most people just about shit themselves in terror the first time an SUV tailgates them at highway speeds.

As someone who owns six motorcycles and is currently eyeing a 7th believe me, I know what makes them work as a 'concept' and range to weight is a very odd metric. Generally it is power to weight for motorcycles in Western countries, or even just power.

I would happily trade 50kg on an electric motorcycle to double the range, which seems a reasonable guestimate as the total weight is a claimed 177kg.

It's almost a certainty I will buy an electric motorcycle at some stage but without the range they're useless to me, without the top speed they're dangerous in certain situations, and not appealing to enthusiasts.

Commuters don't buy a lot of motorcycles (comparatively) in Western countries which given the price tag, is where this is intended to sell.

Motorcyclists like me do commute on motorcycles but I'm an enthusiast and so are most of those other commuting motorcyclists.

so I’m not sure why my vehicle should be able to drive 280 km/h. Even more so on a motorcycle.

No prizes here for guessing that you're not into cars or motorbikes. And why would someone own two vehicles when one can commute and hit the track unless you're particularly dedicated to track riding?

Lets put it this way... are you going to buy one? Because I'm not and I'm mad about motorcycles.

Fair point on a speed limited car, personally I also wouldn't buy one of them.

Our high-capacity 10.04 kWh lithium ion battery pack... 200+ Nm from our fully electric hub motor

Compared to 8.9 kWh and 71 Nm from the Can-Am, as I said it isn't doing anything new or even doing anything better.

These are not sports vehicles or for motor enthusiasts.

I agree and I expect they won't sell many as a result.

Can you point to a car that is limited to 130kmh? Add that to the range dropping dramatically when using these bikes at highway speeds where you would be lucky to see a 100km range.

Lower range means more recharging cycles, which means shorter battery life, which means higher running costs.

It's also too low because I'd rather not become a hood ornament for some road rager where the safest solution is to drop a gear and disappear.

That's not to mention the fun factor and taking it to a track. Even little bikes like the Kawasaki Ninja 400 and Honda CBR300 have higher top speeds.

electric motor producing 47 hp (35 kW) and 53 lb-ft of torque, which is comparable to a 700 cc combustion engine.

Also you can easily tell this isn't written by a motorcyclist because it isn't remotely comparable. That's less power than my 600cc single cylinder motorcycle puts out at 55 hp, and less than half of what my 600cc 4 cylinder ZX6R puts out at 113 hp.

In fact its reasonably close to the 45hp my FZR250 puts out, which as the name implies is a 250cc 4 cylinder, and that's a 30 year old motorcycle.

Yes someone could quote Harley's abysmal HP numbers for their oversized engines but they're quite literally 1950s tech and not remotely relevant to the discussion.

That's without even mentioning gearing which allows my 55 hp single cylinder motorcycle to reach 160kmh and my ZX6R tops out at 280kmh (gps measured, stock gearing).

TLDR: range, safety and fun are all missing.

Abysmal range and the top speed is unsuitable for highways. The same mistakes that every other electric motorcycle manufacturer is making.

Electric motorcycles will need to be heavier to achieve both range and top speeds that are suitable.

There is only a tiny market for these bikes and they’re not doing anything new, and they’re more expensive.

I heard there’s a tree

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Thanks for not telling us the names of the shows, it really helped

I would be interested in seeing the power consumption required to generate for an AI vs an artist, on an individual basis it might not stack up the way people want.

I want you to seriously think for a moment if you would say that to someone who has lost a friend or a father, who was doing nothing wrong, to a preventable issue resulting from Elon Musk being a penny pinching cunt.

Here, enjoy this report

The report that doesn't provide any evidence for and isn't remotely relevant to this claim? I'll pass.

There’d still be plenty of women out there who experienced violence and have not experienced male allyship.

Please show me where I was 'uppity' about women's reactions. I don't need to offer solutions in order to critique your incredibly naive opinions on how to resolve societal issues.

acting as though there is no cause

I literally pointed out that there are dangerous men, and they're a problem. You're just making shit up.

You are clearly not legitimately interested in women and their struggles though

Again, you're making shit up. This is a bullshit claim and has absolutely no basis in reality.

I'm simply not claiming to have solutions to a complex and difficult problem that I don't have, unlike yourself.

May you have the day you deserve.

Ooh sassy today aren't we. Try kicking rocks, I suspect it'll be as productive as following any of your suggestions would be.

There’d still be plenty of women out there who experienced violence and have not experienced male allyship

Calls for evidence followed by impossible to prove claims with no evidence of your own. Look if you're going to hold people to standards at least make some pretense of meeting your own standards.

Moving on, desensitising people to dangerous situations only makes them more likely to get injured due to complacency.

You did not say anything refuting my point or even suggest an alternative.

Because you're offerring simple solutions to complex problems, so it's clear what you are.

It is fundamentally flawed because everyone that tries it ends up killing motorcyclists.

If women felt more male allyship during the inside/day, then maybe they'd be less fearful of men outside/at night.

What an inane take on the subject. Men are willing to help women so often that it’s a large factor in male on male violence.

This is a microcosm of the whole issue. Yes there are dangerous men and they’re often dangerous to both men and women.

The consequences are often different as men are significantly more likely to be violently assaulted, and more likely to be killed, while women are overwhelmingly more likely to be sexually harassed or sexually assaulted.

influencer

We need to call them what they are; shills.

Looks like mitosis, very cool