Be on the lookout for CIA propaganda! Tankies LOVE dissenters!

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Just stopping by to say fuck tankies. Ok bye.
- Blessed stop; thank you

can't wait to see the hexbear response to this one
- Hexbear: [image of a pig pooping on its own balls]
  Truly, walking in the shoes of Marx and Engels. Such eloquence.
- You don't have to wait you can just go look at them whenever you want.
  https://hexbear.net/post/1070892
  They won't be showing up here, this is a lemmy.world community and they are defederated afaik.
  
  My God, they're just fanscreeching there and trying to make themselves interesting in the cringiest way about it. As always, tbh
  
  The larger response is in this thread where the meme was crossposted, almost 400 comments
  https://lemmy.ml/post/7900431?scrollToComments=true
- They're never going to be able to argue Stalin didn't send firing squads to murder the Spanish revolutionaries. After seeing this meme they'd be crazy to try.
  
  The Spanish Civil War is a bit weird in nomenclature, though. The 'revolutionaries' were the fascist branches of the military and monarchists, who were mad at the leftist elected governement.
  Usually revolutionaries aren't conservatives, but in the Spanish Civil War they were. Both Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin jumped at the chance to test out their offensive capabilities and sent their armies there. And it was a bloody affair where both parties slaughtered civil parties.
  But Russia, for once, supported the democratically elected party in this war.
  I'm not affiliated with the tankies and hate the fables they spin, but as an historian this one point really needed some context.
- Are the hexbears in the room with you right now?
  
  No, they were defederated. Although I'm sure many of them have alt accounts here because trolls love to troll and get sad when you exile them.

It's easy to make a list of all communists countries that turned fascists and massacred people. You don't do that with capitalists because there are simply too many, everywhere, in about all of history.
- It's almost like the main problem with both authoritarian communism and authoritarian capitalism might be the authoritarianism.
  
  [email protected]
  welcome
  
  Just that most captialist counties are democracies and all communist countries are authoritarian because communism and it's limiting of rights doesn't go without a dictatorship and the murder of millions of innocent people 😇
- It would be 100% with capitalist as well.
  As [email protected] less succinctly put it. Capitalism is barely a few hundred years old. It's barely existed a fraction of human history. It's barely older than many of the original socialist ideals. Let alone all of history. Markets and currency predate capitalism and socialism by millennia. And neither has claim to them. Despite both making use of them.
  That said fuck leninists. Actual communists are pretty chill though. But leninists and capitalists are a threat to everyone. Including themselves.
  
  That's not entirely true. The Hudsons Bay Company, for instance, was on the stock market in the 1600s. The London Royal Exchange was built in the 1500s.
  
  Just as a true socialist country has never existed, a true capitalist country has never existed. Economies are always mixed.
- Just as a true socialist country has never existed, a true capitalist country has never existed. Economies are always mixed.
  
  Ssshhhjttt, don't be reasonable, you're gonna make them cry
  
  If only we could imagine what a truly capitalist country would look like in the future! Like, I don't know, we call this genra something like cyberpunk?
  
  a true capitalist country has never existed.
  That may have something to do with the fact that there is no such thing as "true capitalism." Capitalism is as "true" as it can possibly get.
  Economies are always mixed.
  There can be no "mixture" between socialism and capitalism. If the means of production isn't controlled by workers it means there is no socialism to "mix" in the first place.
- So capitalism has existed since "about all of history"? About as dumb a take as folks insisting that the Israel/Palestine conflict has been going on for thousands of years.
- It’s easy to make a list of all communists countries that turned fascists and massacred people.
  Because there's a 100% overlap with "ML countries" and "Red-painted fascist murderers"?
- You don't do that with capitalists because capitalism does not exist in authoritarian regimes.
  
  Hahahaha! Sure! Capitalism goes in pair with democracy and never bred fascism! And it will totaly never be neo-feudalism!
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarian_capitalism
- Liberal countries are the only ones capable of providing a safe and prosperous society for all. It doesn't mean all liberal societies are like that, but liberalism is the only one that can create and maintain one.
  
  Lmao
  
  All but those who are excluded from it. Who are the slaves in your countries? How many societies had to be destroyed for your country to become what it is now?

I like how all the pictures are wojacks or hand drawns and Khrushchev is just his character from Oversimplified

You didn't mention the Prague Spring or the whole of the assassination attempts on Tito or the East German uprising in 1953.

Yeah quite a large portion of lemmings are politically insane. It's either 'burn the rich, overthrow the government' or 'Maybe the windmill party has a valid point'
Like why can't people just be chill and get along
- Hey now, don’t go lumping “eat the rich” in with these crazies. I can hate tankies and hate our growing wealth inequalities
  
  eat the rich? I bet they would taste funny but I am open to the idea
  
  A rich diet is sectarian-agnostic on the left
  
  Communists are the only way to solve that wealth inequality
- Well, the people "being chill and getting along" (i.e. just keeping the status quo going) is nowadays supporting a genocide,so...
- Like why can’t people just be chill and get along
  I think the hurtling toward climate crises has a lot of people desperate for governments to actually do something to help assuage it, not make it worse.
- Well put! I love this place and have had some good discussions but I've also seen a lot of teenage political craziness and had that "oh, I'm talking to a lunatic or a child" sensation more often than I'd have liked to.
  
  teenage political craziness
  That's a much more accurate description
- I suspect we needed a baseline level of insane to not just threaten to jump Reddit, but actually follow through on it.
  
  It's insane not to leave, but there's certainly a baseline level of "gives a fuck"
- Based

NNNOOOO!!! HOW DARE YOU UN-WHITEWASH LENIN!!!! NOOOO!!! Tankies tried SO HARD to make Makhno disappear like Trotsky! You LIBERAL AMERICANS!!! REEEEEE!!!
- Here is Makhno in 1920 after agreeing to a temporary ceasefire:
  "Military hostilities between the Makhnovist revolutionary insurgents and the Red Army have ceased. Misunderstandings, vagueness and inaccuracies have grown up around this truce: it is said that Makhno has repented of his anti-Bolshevik acts, that he has recognized the soviet authorities, etc. How are we to understand, what construction are we to place upon this peace agreement?
  What is very clear already is that no intercourse of ideas, and no collaboration with the soviet authorities and no formal recognition of these has been or can be possible. We have always been irreconcilable enemies, at the level of ideas, of the party of the Bolshevik-communists.
  We have never acknowledged any authorities and in the present instance we cannot acknowledge the soviet authorities. So again we remind and yet again we emphasize that, whether deliberately or through misapprehension, there must be no confusion of military intercourse in the wake of the danger threatening the revolution with any crossing-over, 'fusion' or recognition of the soviet authorities, which cannot have been and cannot ever be the case."
  — quoted in Nestor Makhno: Anarchy's Cossack, a pro-Makhno book
  
  Just because people are enemies doesn't mean they can have a truce. Who broke that truce?

Meanwhile, OP: 🍿

But the tankies now call themselves as "right wing christian, conservative, nationalists", see orban, trump, putin, etc...
- There are still plenty of members of the Leninist tankie cult left - look at the positions of most Communist Parties in Europe. To make things worse, I think most of them don't even realize that the Soviet Union is gone and that China became a cyberpunkish corporatocracy that puts the worst western country to shame.
  
  I'm a fan of the term Kleptocracy. It seems to describe well a lot of newish regimes in south east Asia and south America, and it applies well to China and the United States of America as well.
- hexbear had an entire thread with hundreds of comments where they all agreed they hated trump and viewed him as an odious fascist
  https://lemmy.ml/post/4040923?scrollToComments=true
  The closest thing you find to support for trump in there is some of them thinking he is a less effective imperialist.
  
  Funny they only mention biden. Everyday. Multiple dozens of times.

If tankies when they're gonna be real surpises when the qouta for poets was met ages ago and it's time to go to the coal mines.

I read a book by Anne applebaum on the gulags. It was terrifying

"libertarian socialist" •_•
- bruh

I'm not familiar with the incident with Khrushchev, but the others didn't just kill the anarchists for no reason. Each leader was faced with an incredibly unstable country and economy. Anarchists hate government. So naturally, they'll join with the other leftists to take down the government. But, once the revolution is over, it's time to reorganize and reestablish a government. As I said though, anarchists hate government. So, they continue to destabilize and fight against the government, even though the new government is trying to reorganize and develop a stable economy.
Each groups was told to stand down and join in rebuilding the their respective countries or risk causing more widespread famine and throw the country into... Well anarchy. The problem isn't that these leaders are necessarily evil men for what they did to the anarchists. The problem is the dangers that the anarchists created for the people of China and the Soviet Union. This is why Anarchism has never succeeded on a large scale. It's only good at disruption and destruction. Read about Spain in the late 19th century for examples. No country can survive under constant revolution.

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