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2y ago

current lemmy status

People need to realize you can use alternatives

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tbf people just wanna sign up and click on funny links, not browse through 100 rando instances to find the one that lines up with their exact interests and wait for approval and worry about uptime and whether their instance will still exist in a year
- I feel that, while lemmy is still a work in progress, it is already pretty adequate for solving this need. If you want to subscribe to other instances you can do it from within your insance by going up to communities and searching. You can also click the all tab and see a bunch of instances from around lemmy that your instance is federated with.
  I think mastadon struggled with this because the twitter model is to follow people and depending how far removed the servers are this can be trickier. Compared to lemmy where people interested in a single subject will likely target and find the subject theyre interested in and bring themselves together naturally.
  Furthermore I think some people are splitting up and dividing into sub instances and tiny subjects a little prematurely. Reddit didnt get super esoteric with it's subs until it got big and the larger subs either declined or got too noisy to talk about certain things. Like for example how beehaw has an operatingsystems instance instead of a linux, ubuntu, macos, windows, fedora, archinux, opensuse, openbsd, etc. Right now there arent enough of us that we dont need to subdivide.
  
  I've seen people literally signing up here just to make like 50 empty communities and not post or comment on anything at all. Definitely a lot of folks just trying to stake some territory that they think will be valuable in the future.
  
  I like how Beehaw is doing it. Slowly introducing new servers as there is demand for it.
- Very true. It would be sad to build up a persona on a smaller instance to then have it go dark and take your user with it. Other than losing your collection of "upvotes," you can just recreate a new user with the same display name on another instance and keep going. 👍
  Holy crap, you can do Slack style emoticons? Huzzah! 🎉
- Let me see if I underatand this correctly:
  If I create an account on a random, small instance. And then go to the "all communities" feed. I can automatically see all communities that are in my instance. In addition to that, I can see all communities of other Lemmy instances, that are "federated". But I cannot see other communities from other nstances, unless I go on there, find the communitis and manually subscribe to them (I believe there are other ways to get them to show up, like using the search etc.?)
  So, as a normal user. Who's just looking for a replacement for /r/all, wouldn't joining the largest lemmy instance that is fedarated to many others (Just by how many users it has, because it's the users who link instances by their actions?) make perfect sense?
  
  The all communities tab should be showing you communities from every instance you are federated with. It's true that they won't show up in your feed until someone on your instance connects to the instance it's on at least once, but you don't need to be on a massive server to be connected to all the major communities right from the start.
- Idk I kind of think it having a bit more complexity might help ward off enshitification
- worry about uptime and whether their instance will still exist in a year
  that's the biggest thing for me, it's hard to sign up on smaller ones without worrying about its long-term viability

I created my own server...
- Me too. Gonna close registrations at about 100 users. I don't want this to get expensive but I'll contribute what I can
  
  Based on my previous experience running a Mastodon server, 90%+ of people are going to concentrate on already popular servers, especially the "official" one. I suppose I will also close (or be strict about) registration at some point myself, but I have a feeling I am not going to have to worry about it for a long time. My goal now is just to get some friends and acquaintances to join any lemmy instance, bonus points if it is mine.
  
  Same here. I only have a couple of users though so I don't show up on join-lemmy.org anymore. Not sure how to gather more users now. I figure if I do actually get up to a hundred or so users I'll set up a LibrePay account and expand based on available funds.
  
  How do you create your own server?
- This is the way. If you don't like the moderators, don't play on their servers. It's that simple.

The documentation explaining how fediverse works is so bad. It's so long and convoluted anyone new just can't be bothered reading it.

Problem is that a) new users don’t know that they can join communities across servers, and b) it is intuitive use start with the servers that a lot of people like.
Instance browsing and onboarding is probably the biggest challenge to Lemmy’s growth. The current experience either scares new people away, or encourages them to congregate on a limited set of instances.
- If the registration process just picked a random instance for you, maybe something nearby, and assured new users that they can visit communities and interact with users across instances, very few would pick the biggest instance.
  
  That isn't guaranteed, though. The other day I wanted to create a new community and was browsing instances on join-lemmy.org/instances for an instance that was compatible rulewise. The one I picked evidently wasn't a good pick (burggit.moe). Trying to advertise my new community, I found out it was defederated from beehaw (and likely others) and got insulted as a pedophilia sympathizer ...
  Randomly assigning new users to instances would make a substantial fraction of people very unhappy.
  
  I would be very sad if I was randomly assigned an instance in French (for example) because I don’t speak French.
- It's also that lemmy.ml is the instance I've seen posted everywhere when it's brought up, so naturally people would just sign up there instead of finding somewhere else.
- I applied to 3 instances when I decided to join and lemmy.ml was the only one that responded so there's that.
- How's it work if I get banned from one instance? Yet I can still comment in that instance I got banned from? No clue how that works
  
  If you get banned from your home instance, you're banned everywhere.
  If you get banned on a different instance, you can no longer post/comment/vote in communities there but otherwise you're fine.
  
  Just joining in, and what will happen if the instance you created your account on decides to stop running. Does your account just dissapear?

First I created account there and then landed on my current instance, because lemmy.ml's admin views looks sketchy for me. Been living in ex-ussr for all my life I just cant accept all that communists and marxists and the fact that lemmy.ml has /c/Communism on it.
I know that's silly but that's why I'm not there anymore.
- It's not silly at all. I also made an account there before realizing the admins are tankies. It honestly sketches me out about Lemmy in general considering they're the two lead (and currently only?) devs. Casts a big shadow over all of Lemmy when the devs are posting Xinjiang genocide denialism and their instance is at the top of the recommendations on join-lemmy.org. With lemmy.grad pretty high up there too.
  
  Yeah that’s what Lemmy started out as. The thing is with all the Reddit refugees flooding in it is diluting out the tankies. Besides, lemmygrad.ml is blocked by many instances. As for the values of the devs the great thing is that Lemmy is FOSS so if they go rouge someone will just make a fork of Lemmy.
  
  At least with the way Lemmy is designed it doesn't seem like even the main devs can have much of an impact.
  They even write themselves that if they made changes to the Lemmy codebase that some instance admins didn't like, then those admins can decide not to upgrade their instance. The code is also open sourced so anyone with some tech know-how can fork the codebase and remove whatever they don't like.
  
  Are you familiar with the Nayirah Testimony?
- Profit motive ruined Reddit so you’ve come to a place created by communist then get upset that the people who made and operate it are communists. Yeah that’s more than a little silly.
  
  There's a difference between being a communist and blindly supporting authoritarian dictatorships wearing communist masks.
  
  I'm not upset about their political views. For me its just too painful to read something like "Russia didn't start that war, its NATO" while I'm currently fleeing from conscription to Russian army to fight against Ukrainian people I respect more than citizens of my motherland.
  So, I make only choice I find suitable in that situation: avoid places where this behaviour is fine for mods and gains upvotes.
- This is why I didn't choose lemmy.ml as my local instance.
- No that is not silly you got a fair point
- Is it possible to move instances once I'm registered or do I have to create totally new account on other instance?
  
  You'd need to sign up for a totally new account. There is talk of adding a migration feature but obviously that'll require a bit of patience, they've got a long list of feature requests!
- Oh no ;_;
  Any recommended communities? (or ones to avoid)
  
  I'm currently on lemmy.world. You can create communities and people are chill over here.
  
  Everything from beehaw.org is nice. Even stuff on lemmy.ml is okay as long you don't bring up politics. Stay away from news or politics subs on this instance. And I hope we will get bigger communities on other servers than lemmy.ml or beehaw.org.
  
  All I know is that you should avoid lemmy.ml. In their /c/WorldNews community, an admin gave a four day ban to a user for posting an Axios article about the Chinese succession plan for the reason of "Orientalism". Those guys are tankie shills. In my experience, lemmy.ca, sh.itjust.works, and lemmy.one seem solid. Obviously I personally went with lemmy.ca. But you should check out the admin profiles before you join any instance. That will tell you most of what you need to know. That and the modlogs (found at the bottom of the page) that will tell you what posts have been taken down and what people have been banned by mods on various communities.
  
  Avoid any instance that bans/blocks other instances. As for communities, just find whatever you like.
- I had the same exact thoughts. Liked the concept but was kinda sketched out by lemmy.ml. Hope kbin forms a nice little community

I tried to make an account on lemmy.ml and it looks like their servers are (understandably) overloaded
I ended up choosing lemmy.world instead
My understanding is I'm not missing out on anything by chosing a less-popular instance. Did I get that right?

New feddit.de user reporting in
Ze Germans seem to have their own monopolistic instance

lemmy.world unite!

I chose lemmy.ml based on two things:
I wanted a server that wasn't likely to close I don't really know for sure, but I imagine it's easy to underestimate how much money or time is required to run a server. And I'd really prefer not having to worry about migrating. The 'run by Lemmy's developers' part makes me think that either the risk will be lower or the people running the server will know how to prevent reaching a point like that.
I didn't want to join a very specific instance As I see it, there are two possible scenarios:
The instance I join will affect the content I'm exposed (and not exposed) to, in which case I want to experience 'the whole internet' rather than a section of it.
The instance I choose is irrelevant to the content I get, in which case, (apart from community rules) it shouldn't really matter which one I choose, so I would just join the biggest instance.

Still something that could help with the choosing-an-instance process is to display in the list of servers the community rules and if they are blocking certain communities.

Lemmy.world checking in

I definitely didnt pick sh.itjust.works for the funny name, naaaaaaaaah

I'm very tempted to switch to another instance, but from what I understand, you can't migrate your account like you can with Mastodon? That seems like something that should be expected with fediverse apps...
- I think clarity on this or maybe a "roulette" of which instance on new user accounts would help. Most new users are Reddit refugees and just sign up to the mothership.
  
  A roulette would be nice, the system balances the load of each instance. The downside of this is that it will negate the theme or purpose of the instance since the assigning of the members would likely be randomized instead of joining by choice of instance values and purpose.
  
  I don't think a roulette would work, because not all instances are created equal. Like, just look at Lemmygrad for the proof of that. There are other differences too, like some instances turn off downvoting.

Don't look at me I'm on feddit.de
- feddit.nl here. Hi, neighbor.
  
  G E K O L O N I S E E R D
- waves over from 1-user instance heyo
  
  2-user
- But that's a German speaking instance, so it's not suitable for everyone
  
  Lern Deutsch du Lemmysohn :-*
  
  There are sooo many options tho Lemmy.one Sh.itjust.works Lemmy.world Beehaw.org Etc
- Hi from discuss.tchncs.de!

This is something that lemmy devs need to better address. This is an "Eternal September" kind of situation. People (me included) are not used to the fediverse. They think you can participate only if you're in that instance. And people want content, so they think "why's the instance with most people? Ahh lemmy.ml? Cool, let's join.

"I just want to be where the people are" 🧜‍♀️

Nah just register at whichever instance that sounds the coolest to append to your name. Just FYI I'm from programming.dev.
- This is the way
  
  This is the way
- I just went with our local instance. :)
- First was on programming.dev, but it's a quite new instance and it's search cache doesn't show a lot of community's, so I switched and made an account on my local one.

IDK, beehaw.org and lemmy.world aren't doing too bad

As someone who intentionally joined a different instance, the biggest issue is the “federation” doesn’t allow cross-authentication. Clicking a link to another instance moves me to that instance where I’m not logged in. Authentication should really be cross-instance.
- I think this occurs because people haven't gotten used to linking to communities on other instances properly.
  They usually post the direct link like beehaw.org/c/technology . Instead they should start using the federated link which is more instance agnostic like this: /c/[email protected] . This link will load the community from your instance.
  
  FWIW, on a browser the /c/technology link you posted isn’t a hyperlink, so I can’t actually interact with it. It doesn’t work in mlem either.
  
  It also doesn't work in the mobile app, I'd love to see it work there soon too
- This is something I also find strange. If I click a link to an instance, I want to view their content and not visit their homepage, where I am not logged in and cannot do anything.
- I agree with you
- assuming the servers are properly federated you should be getting a link that is still on your server. i mean, you got to this lemmy.ml link alright at least
  wait, i think i get what you mean, like if you get an external link while not browsing on your instance? you should just be able to paste that link into the search function to find your instance's version of the post
  
  If I click the link you provided, my browser takes me to Lenny.ml. There I am not logged in and my credentials from feddit.de are not working. So I cannot post there.
  I think it only works if the link points to a community on another instance. Like [email protected] . Maybe this is the intended behavior.
  The downside is, you can not visit an instance and view the local communities and their post and interact with them. This makes it a lot more attractive to join the instance where the communities are you want to frequent.
  Edit: the link to the community does not work either for me. But I am kind of sure, that there are links that work as intended and make you just view the community from your own insurance…
  
  Yeah, I can manually search and find communities, but hyperlinks move you to the other instance (on a webpage; browsing within an app like mlem seems to work)
  
  From my instance, I've been crossing to other instances fine to post, upvote, etc.
- Can you elaborate on your experience a bit more? I can't say I have had any issues as you've described. If something doesn't look right, or isn't working the way you expect, it might actually be a bug.
- The devs of kbin and Lemmy have that on their list of things to do, make cross-instance links work nicer. But they have a lot on their plate at a moment, so it could be some time before that comes about.
- How would that work?

Proud to be a sh.itjust.works user
- I'm reppin' Lemmy.World
- Yeap just like it is freaking works 👍

I use lemmy.world. they have an associated mastodon as well.

I'm on .world because I had no idea which to join. Seems to be working just fine for me; I can see tons of posts from other places!
- My instance has a cool name 😎
  
  Hey, mine too!
  
  Pff I think this one is cooler 😎
  
  I almost joined yours! Very clever, I approve
  
  Beehaw users thicc as fuck right now
- Same, it was quick and painless to register.
- Same
  
  Kinda Same

Lemmy.world gang

When I first looked into Lemmy I thought picking an instance confined you to that instance. I think a lot of new people don't realize that isn't the case.
- It's definitely a new concept for people. I've been on Mastodon for a while so I'm already used to the idea of multiple instances
  I think over time more people will figure it out and it won't be so confusing. Like how people intuitively understand that if you have a Gmail account you can still send emails to people on Outlook
- Having to register on new ones is annoying though.
  
  what do you mean? you only need to sign up on one, then you can follow and post in communities on any instance
  
  But you don’t need to right? You just access other instances through your own? (I actually don’t understand at all but I think this is correct)
  
  You don’t register on each one :p

They need to do away with the ridiculous manual approval process on most servers and recommend servers that forego it on the main site.

Sopuli.xyz has been a reliable instance :)
- It really has!
  Thank the gods for the finnish!
- Joined today and it seems great so far 😃
- I tried to join but I seem to be hitting the bug where registration hangs forever. The eternal spinning button bug.

Idk why anyone would use the main instance and choose to be admined by pro-CCP tankies

99.99% don’t really want or understand a federated system. How do you know it’s not hosted on someone’s desktop over DSL? How do you know it will be there tomorrow? How do you know they aren’t modifying the code to do something nefarious?
As long as there’s a “main” instance people will prioritize that.
- This is exactly why federation is better than centralization - no single point of failure. If Reddit decides to do something nefarious like cutting off your 3pa access or Facebook sells all your personal data, you have no recourse. But if you disagree with some admin actions on lemmy, you can go to another instance. Yeah you lose your karma, but there is no shortage of usernames. I guess the only single point of failure is the developer of the lemmy software itself. From that perspective, also joining the one lemmy instance run by the lemmy developer doesn't help things xD
- True, i would like to federate the account too, so we could semlessly switch instance if there is a problem.

I created my account at sh.itjust.works but I don't fully understand Lemmy yet. Finding communities seems confusing.

I think people naturally tend toward the servers of the people that started the project and also the servers that have the most people on them. As the federated technology continues to smooth out I think more people might be more comfortable spreading out to other servers.
Personally I started out on the Beehaw server but they had some rules I didn't like so then I found another server.

proudly hailing from NOT lemmy.ml 🤗

I do really hope people are going to come to lemmy because this isn't half bad

I find it is nice to just join a server you enjoy at its core and then simply use the "all" sort of thing. I can see from other servers what is popular and can comment and upvote and downvote. It's all very seamless even if I am not in that home server
- I don't think I spent more than 10 minutes total in /r/all in my 12 years of Reddit, so it's quite nice to browse all here and not be bombarded with rubbish.

Yeah I have been finding it hard to wrap my head around this federation part.

Proudly burdening sh.itjust.works instead of lemmy.ml!

Ope! Us midwesterners are doing great.
- And I'm enjoying lemmy.world
  
  Just signed up and kinda liking Jerboa on Android!

I just hope it lasts, worst thing would be if people just went back to reddit

Hello from beehaw.org!

After reading the "we are full" notices and doing some research I was able to easily create an account on lemmy.ca increasing the represention for BC.

Hello from lemmy.ca
- Another Lemmy.ca user here. 😊

sh.itjust.works Gang represent ✊

It's at the top of the list on join-lemmy.org's popular server list, next to lemmy.world and beehaw.org, of course new users will sign up on the more popular ones. Plus, a few posts on reddit called out these three which set everything in motion.
Once folks start to understand how it works, they might start to sign up on other ones, for a "cooler handle @ address" for their user, or register a domain and start their own instance like I did.
Anyway, welcome aboard, right?
- I joined one that won't curate what I can and can't see. Or ban me because they wanted to.
- I looked at a few different ones, just signed up with sh.itjust.works
  
  👍 my instance is open as well if that one doesn’t work out for you.
- Yes

Well, hello from feddit.de! Since I'm a german user I thought it'd be only logical to register on a german instance. While new registrations are semi-locked, the criteria for being let in are quite easy to pass and they are mostly in place to filter out spam. Got my account approved right on the next day
- Hello fellow feddit.de user! For me the approval went really quick too. Also, schließt euch an!
  
  I got approved in just a few minutes.

New user, signed up on an alternative. It isn't intuitive to add a community from another server. Got there eventually though!

feddit.it 🙋‍♂️

New lemmy.ca member checking in! This is pretty cool.

Join us over in beehaw, it's super chill and welcoming

listen, I'm willing to go to smaller instances if necessary, but for the same reason I signed up for mastodon.social - I want my local community to not be a desert, if at all possible.

Lemmy world was the only one that let me sign up lol

I started off on lemmy.ml before the deluge and then today it’s basically inaccessible so I started up a new account over at lemmy.world. I browse by All anyway so I haven’t really noticed a difference.

If it helps, I joined kbin cause I like the UI more :P
- Doesn't help that much, since we've apparently lit kbin.social's server on fire.
  I'm hoping the maintainer gets the installation instructions polished up tomorrow and we can set up a bunch of other kbin instances.
- Same, though I also like that I can interact with Mastodon/Calckey posts from here as well.

feddit.de but we’ve had some heavy load an hour ago.

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