leftist infighting
(this is a sarcastic post meant to highlight the absurdity of some of the “greater good” rhetoric we’ve been hearing, especially around leaving vulnerable populations like disabled people behind in case of revolution, basically accelerationism)
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Kamala voters in a nutshell
now that I think of it, it works both ways, you could use it to criticise people who vote for Harris as she obviously didn’t have great policies on things like Palestine.
Or you could use it to criticise people who don’t vote because then they let trump win which is far worse for minorities than Harris.
why would people ever vote for Biden/Harris when they established the legal basis for Palestinians getting deported and mask bans being enacted? they could vote for the proud fascists instead of the fascism-lite.
I also hate the rhetoric pushed by blue MAGA that equates not voting with letting Trump win. I can't recall a single time in history where voting has defeated fascism. Also the fact that the people most impacted by Trump can't vote or don't have accommodations in place to be able to vote.
Couple examples of elections preventing facism:
Theoretically, anytime a facist runs and loses an election and doesn’t subsequently stage a coup into power, voting prevents facism.
why did the system let them run in the first place? this leads back to my original point, electoralism and liberalism are inherently dangerous and normalize fascism by allowing people to vote them into power just like they did for Hitler.
it makes as much sense as "the marketplace of ideas". we don't debate or "vote out" fascists, we use force
Who decides what ideas are and aren't okay? Who decides which ideas are bad enough to use force against? What's to stop those in charge of making those decisions from being compromised, or plants, or changing their minds, or having morals counter to the morals of their society, seeing as the voting clearly cannot be trusted. All it takes is fascism and conservatism to quietly seep into government and now we've created the perfect framework for them to shift the targets to those they oppose.
This week, trans people have been declared anti-party. Next week it's disabled people. Tune in the week after for nationalism.
This is like building a big gun to protect ourselves from fascists but not putting any checks to make sure it's wielded in the best interests of the people.
what makes you think someone against electoralism believes in having a state?
That's a fair point, but the question still stands. In a stateless society, who decides when violence is appropriate and which ideas deserve violence? What differentiates such individuals from the state, seeing as they are acting in lieu of one, enforcing certain ideals and rules via violence? My questions still stand.
ah yes the classic "any form of violence is a state". go to sleep old man Engels
Who. Decides.
the people most impacted by Trump can't vote or don't have accommodations in place to be able to vote.
So we're strategically sacrificing minorities. Got it.
equates not voting with letting Trump win
This is MAGA-levels of denying reality. Trump got more votes than Kamala. Kamala did not get enough votes. Bitching and belly aching about Kamala lead to lower voter turnout for her. Therefore Trump won.
If and when the revolution happens, I can trust that blowhards like you won't even be there. You'll just be here, terminally online, waiting for the day you get to tell our piles of ashes "I told you so."
Bitching and belly aching about Kamala lead to lower voter turnout for her.
Kamala decided genocide and fracking were more important then her constituents. That's what led to the lower turnout.
I voted for her and was vocal about holding the line and ignoring all the stupidity they were showing, but it's completely insane to try to spin the lost as anyone else's fault.
Bitching and belly aching about Kamala lead to lower voter turnout for her.
Kamala lead to lower turnout for Kamala. Although a lot of blame can be placed on Biden for not dropping out sooner. He should've been a one-term president.
I can’t recall a single time in history where voting has defeated fascism.
Fascists mostly start by winning legitimate elections. Defeating fascism with votes would just look like Clinton winning the election instead of Trump.
You might as well say that you can't recall a single time when having a visible security presence stopped a robbery.
You're being absolutely disingenuous. If voting could stop fascists, then in 2020 when Joe Biden got more votes than Donald Trump, he would have been president. There would have been a democrat in office from 2021-2024. And your fantasy world sounds nice, but it's not what happened here in the real world.
If voting could stop fascists, then in 2020 when Joe Biden got more votes than Donald Trump, he would have been president. There would have been a democrat in office from 2021-2024. And your fantasy world sounds nice, but it’s not what happened here in the real world.
Is this some kind of advanced sarcasm? Because I'm not understanding what you're trying to say.
why would people ever vote for Biden/Harris
Gestures at everything
oh, so you prefer our current administration?
I mean criticising opponent doesn't necessarily mean preferring current administration
There was absolutely an effort to demoralize Democratic voters here on Lemmy. Those people did support the Trump campaign by engaging in consistent, high-volume criticism and justification of it using logic such as yours.
Democrats don't need to be demoralized. Their party does that for them.
Not just Lemmy, unfortunately. I had a guy in my politics discord who spammed nothing but Gaza right before the election, but since the election, he's only posted a handful of things criticizing Trump. And I know he's not a bot, because I've been chatting with him for years.
I wonder how many people are just burnt out from the outrage, and I wonder how much of that was an intentional ploy to get us to stop caring.