Well what brought you to degrowth? Why do you see the argument against degrowth convincing or powerful? Why do haven't you turned your back on degrowth because of the argument? If it's just that some people have that view and you want to evangelize, I've got some bad news for you about changing people's viewpoints with rhetoric. I don't need your answers to these questions (though feel free to write them out if that helps), but they might be a good spot to start from to find something that will resonate a bit more or be more useful to you.

Anyway, I'm checking out. Cheers.

carefully composed

I don't think this adds to the community and it seems others agree. You can blame others all you want, or you can take the hint. If you want to talk about this topic, find a better way that's clearer and doesn't have to go through several iterations to get your actual point across. I hope you find a way to have the discussion you want to have.

I'll bite.

The selections you've included are really weak.

Most Americans think wealth is important? Yeah, because the medical system will literally let you die if you're poor. The justice system works differently if you have money and the poor are more likely to be policed. Lots of people are dangerously close to homelessness and more are becoming so as people get priced out of housing.

Upward mobility is a sham. The best indicator of if you'll be wealthy in the future is if your parents are. That's due to a bunch of different factors, but being able to afford healthcare, good schools, being able to recover from mistakes and accidents, and plain old intergenerational wealth.

I don't know what your point is about scarcity vs abundance mentality, but when pretty much every single aspect of ones life is improved by money, yeah, people want it. Making sure basic needs like healthcare and housing would go a long way towards getting people less desperate for money and exacerbating the cycle by doing whatever capital wants regardless of larger consequences just to not die.

So I don't think you have any good points that the people in this community haven't thought about and generally already come to a conclusion about. You're doing the equivalent of going into a vegan community and saying "bUT aNImALs Are kIllEd farmInG THE PlAntS You eAt" and thinking it's clever.

Anyway, here's my down vote. It's not mindless; it is filled with intention and consideration.

Even when it's not the main focus, it's always enjoyable when there's some real love put into a cooking or eating scene.

That's pretty surreal like all those family sitcom episodes where they save an orphanage by winning a battle of the bands came to life.

Ugh, making a car mechanic appointment has been on my list since October. Nothing's actively wrong with it, and I'm not due mileage-wise. I just want to make sure it can handle a medium length trip that kept getting postponed due to a few things I couldn't be away from home for more than a day for a while.

There's not even time travel or multiverse Jesus!

Jennifer Connelly and Laura Dern.

All that and we still don't know anything about the feet or tail.

Orb!

Yeah, but he's got like three parts, one of which lost the keys, one of which had to die to find the keys for a gate that shouldn't have been locked in the first place, and the holy Ghost (I don't remember what that one does. Booo?)

And Japan's love hotel industry.

Could it be a good candidate for federation? There's already a few naming standards that would allow a bit of a common ground. And maybe eliminate a few of the big points of failure.

If you enjoy Dita, I'll also recommend Medianoche, especially the duets with Ivory Fox. Here's one: https://youtu.be/Y9uDfsWnJYc

The article says people underestimate how warm and friendly others are and to join communities. At this point it's my life, I expect about a third of the people I meet to be complete pieces of shit with an additional third to be people I'm just not interested in being social with. Being part of a community does not change those odds. I've been part of one with in person interaction for 20+ years and there are people with repugnant ideas (transphobia, antimask, etc) I have to tolerate to participate. There's a reason we have the phrase "missing stair". I started a whisper network in a different community I'm in because nobody, including the victim, is willing to make waves by ejecting a guy that sexually assaulted a member of the community, even people that claim to be feminists. Separating wheat from chaff is exhausting and I wish I knew how to tip the odds into the task being actually rewarding. Even if you find people that you jive with, you have to constantly be working to replace the people that disappear for whatever reason, moving, children, job schedule, divorces, and plain old being dead. I've not given up on people or being social, it's just takes so much effort that I really get people checking out of it.

Slow, mostly steady progress through Practice Portuguese. It often feels like it's asking stuff that it hasn't taught me yet so it can be a bit frustrating. I need more review as I forget some things pretty quickly. I do really enjoy seeing all the words that have a counterpart in English but the counterpart isn't common, like garaffa means bottle and seems like it's related to carafe. Facil/easy/facilitate, feliz/happy/felicity, etc.

You're not into long pointy things being counted differently than flat things being counted differently than people being counted differently than...?

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

If it were obvious to them, they wouldn't be hearing arguments.

The commenter is a comedian. https://youtube.com/@gianmarcosoresi if you want to check anything of his out.