Yet here we are, and evil we are. Case closed

If everyone was biking, people would deliberately bump and swerve over each other and they'd still block the streets. Cars aren't the problem, people are.

If there's anything one should notice in life, it's that yes, that is how grown adult humans act.

They're all just entitled spoiled brats. Their kids are unironically more mature than they are.

It's still wrong as it would still be the DM's fault for manipulating someone else to harm other people.

Or did going full Joker become moral while I was away?

No, you're not understanding my point. I'm analyzing what's happening and rightfully blaming the DM for those deaths because they're his fault.

Would you blame someone if they gave an AR-15 to someone they knew was gonna commit a mass shooting?

I put an ethical dilemma in front of a Paladin. I do not consider this evil.

No, you knowingly put innocent people in harm's way because you wanted to get one over on someone. That, by anyone's standard except yours, is evil. That ain't gonna change.

I have. It doesn't change the fact that humanity is inherently evil and for one's greater happiness it's best to keep them at arm's length. I never trust my friends that much and I am never expected to. 🤷

The fact that you reacted so strongly to me pointing out facts says you're upset at even the idea that someone would openly reject others.

If you were really so righteous, you wouldn't have said a thing.

Having used to be that bum, yes, I can say emphatically what they're doing is evil by conventional standards. I agree wholeheartedly with what they do, but that doesn't change the fact that it's evil and by that game's standards they should die.

Items like that go by the standards established in the game and that means that homeless dude is gonna die. Conventional western morals dictate he be jailed, at least, and most Americans do want people like that exterminated because they dehumanize the homeless. Even restorative justice types don't actually view or treat homeless people like humans let alone peers. Homeless populations are pretty universally reviled, and as good and evil always boil down to our feelings and popularity contests, that's what makes them evil in the eyes of others.

I am not agreeing with the notion, just saying what it is. Personally I think humanity is inherently evil so all humans should die from such an item or a spell. But no one would take my opinion into account so this morality-is-relative crap people are pulling to dispute the veracity of the sword doesn't hold water either.

Meh. I live alone and can tell you from a biological standpoint it's not healthy. People have to be around others because we are hardwired for it. Loneliness is more destructive than smoking a pack of cigarettes a day, and that's a hardwired consequence you can't get around with your worldview and moral outlook. Those who live alone live shorter lives on average.

Humans are inherently evil and selfish and will take whatever they can to meet their needs, many of which involve the satisfaction of dominating others.

Thefts among friends and loved ones are considered normal because everyone steals from each other and no one wants to be held accountable for their actions, for example.

Just more base animal shit from humanity

Debatable. I don't really think the thing is about what people deserve. A sword like that could be used for all kinds of different things, not just some moral crusade.

Hell, I'd use it to detect so-called good people without the stabbing and avoid them. The worst kind of people are good ones. Goodness itself is a kind of evil.

People are quibbling over what is good and evil but no one considers how useful a sword like that would be. D&D already has a hard-coded alignment system with predictable behaviors associated with each alignment so implying good and evil are subjective is meaningless.

Then again, morality itself is pretty meaningless so 🤷

See, here's my problem with that: humanity is inherently evil so everyone would be killed by such a thing.

I don't think a cow can be good or evil.

a hateful bitter man who antagonizes everyone but obeys the law

As one of those hateful bitter people in the eyes of others who still is lawful, I emphatically tell you that we are evil and absolutely would and should be killed by Holy Word and other such spells.

a teenager

Wait, what?

Actually everyone on your list should be killed by that spell, even the teenager though I vehemently disagree with that.

Like you can sit there and quibble about what is actually evil or not but this is magic, and what matters is what the majority of people consider evil, and they all hit the mark. Most adults are ageist bigots who'd wipe out all teenagers on a dime if they could, for example, even though that's pretty evil.

Good and evil are honestly pretty meaningless.

It also defeats the point of the exercise. The paladin is nolonger responsible for the murder of those innocents because he was lied to about the true nature of the sword and would have no way to find out the truth without killing an innocent person.

So it's not the paladin doing the killings, it's the DM.

As if you aren't evil by lying to the player.

And as if they won't successfully dispute it.

Yours will likely last a long longer and be much easier to repair though.

It went back to 0 so I think it was just a glitch. Weird that it happened though.

How the hell did you get -1 downvotes OP?

You're allowed to like whatever you want to like. 🤷