Look we don't know if we're evil but we are very certain that Iran is incredibly based
What this reads like to me
Mommy and daddy keep going on about horizontalism but then they make me go to bed even when I don't want to >:(
You really really really do not understand what's going on do you?
lol you are a zionist bootlicker caping for pissraeli bombs I tried to get through to you that the zionist entity was always genocidal since the nakba.
lmao fuck off
You think the zionist entity has a right to defend it's stolen land, don't you?
I wasnt and I don't know why I tried to educate you
Do you agree that the Nakba was a form of genocide? Do you believe that Isntreal has a "right to defend" what it stole during the Nakba and since?
All of what you said is what I've been arguing. Like how the wheels of a car are integral to a cars movement so is western european christianity integral to colonialism. But just like how the wheels are not the cause for colonialism so it is with christianity. It doesn't by itself cause colonialism. I do not know how I can make this clearer and I think you're refusal to look at the actual cause, the relentless pursuit of profit, comes from you sharing in the profits of this machinery. I can see no other reason why else you would go so far as to blame the overexploited for their enslavement. Disturbing stuff.
So let’s add this up. You don’t know what the fuck you are talking about, and your own sources betray you. I am done with you acting like you know a god damned thing about this.
you continue to reaffirm my belief that you do not properly engage with what I say, don't have a dialectical understanding of history and ultimately are very underdeveloped in your understanding of the world beyond eurocentric cultures. I believe this because your arguments are rather trivial and seem thought up in the moment.
Marx famously labeled religion the “sign of the oppressed creature” a way for people to cope with a heartless world, but one that ultimately prevents real liberation.
And therefore Marx agrees that religion is not what causes colonialism, it's a response to oppression that capitalism then turns around to subjugate the masses, like how opium is a very efficient and even necessary painkiller that nonetheless gets used to dull the senses of the masses.
Lenin argues that religion is both the response to and cause of oppression. So he believes it is the cause, not just the result of oppression. You don’t have Lenin on your side.
I do not know how you reach this understanding, you offer nothing.
Hudson never spoke on Christianity being the cause of oppression.
Hudson's Superimperialism is the definitive work giving the blueprint to the motor of todays colonialism and oppression. That it doesn't even mention christianity is what I am trying to get at.
Slavery as we know it in the Americas could never exist without Pope Nicholas V in the 1450s who granted rights to enslave non-Christians, laying the foundation for the Atlantic slave trade. Read that again, without Christianity there would never have been the slave trade that Sakai wrote about.
How do you figure that? If Pope Nicholas V had been the head of some other religion he wouldn't have legalised slavery? Or that if he had been the head of a non-religious but equally powerful political organization he would not have? How does his christianity factor into this?
I leave you with this quote from Engels^[https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Library:Socialism:_utopian_and_scientific] which more successfully demonstrates what I believe to be the motor of oppression, stripped away of the religious sanctity and lying bare it ran even more efficiently:
We saw how the French philosophers of the 18th century, the forerunners of the Revolution, appealed to reason as the sole judge of all that is. A rational government, rational society, were to be founded; everything that ran counter to eternal reason was to be remorselessly done away with. We saw also that this eternal reason was in reality nothing but the idealized understanding of the 18th century citizen, just then evolving into the bourgeois. The French Revolution had realized this rational society and government.
But the new order of things, rational enough as compared with earlier conditions, turned out to be by no means absolutely rational. The state based upon reason completely collapsed. Rousseau’s Contrat Social had found its realization in the Reign of Terror, from which the bourgeoisie, who had lost confidence in their own political capacity, had taken refuge first in the corruption of the Directorate, and, finally, under the wing of the Napoleonic despotism. The promised eternal peace was turned into an endless war of conquest. The society based upon reason had fared no better. The antagonism between rich and poor, instead of dissolving into general prosperity, had become intensified by the removal of the guild and other privileges, which had to some extent bridged it over, and by the removal of the charitable institutions of the Church. The “freedom of property” from feudal fetters, now veritably accomplished, turned out to be, for the small capitalists and small proprietors, the freedom to sell their small property, crushed under the overmastering competition of the large capitalists and landlords, to these great lords, and thus, as far as the small capitalists and peasant proprietors were concerned, became “freedom from property”. The development of industry upon a capitalistic basis made poverty and misery of the working masses conditions of existence of society. [...]
In a word, compared with the splendid promises of the philosophers, the social and political institutions born of the “triumph of reason” were bitterly disappointing caricatures. All that was wanting was the men to formulate this disappointment, and they came with the turn of the century. In 1802, Saint-Simon’s Geneva letters appeared; in 1808 appeared Fourier’s first work, although the groundwork of his theory dated from 1799; on January 1, 1800, Robert Owen undertook the direction of New Lanark.
Genocide has a different definition so that’s simply not true.
According to Yehuda Bauer:
[Genocide is] the planned destruction, since the mid-nineteenth century, of a racial, national, or ethnic group as such, by the following means: (a) selective mass murder of elites or parts of the population; (b) elimination of national (racial, ethnic) culture and religious life with the intent of "denationalization"; (c) enslavement, with the same intent; (d) destruction of national (racial, ethnic) economic life, with the same intent; (e) biological decimation through the kidnapping of children, or the prevention of normal family life, with the same intent.... [Holocaust is] the planned physical annihilation, for ideological or pseudo-religious reasons, of all the members of a national, ethnic, or racial group.
Aside from (c) I think all apply to what Israel has been doing forever.
Not all media is as biased as you think in Europe.
I live in Germany. All the news sources here have been reporting hasbara like "decapitated babies" since day one, all reports out of Palestine get qualified with shit like "according to the hamas-led health ministry...". They're all in lockstep, look at what they did to Hüseyin Dogru if you want an example of what happens if you break rank. Germans even started calling Iraqi people Iraqi instead of the german "Iraker" during the US war on Iraq because we're that far up the US state departements ass.
See even now you're still putting qualifiers on your "support". The genocide and settlerism has been going on before netanyahu or "his administration". It's baked into the system. This is like complaining about president botha during the fight against apartheid.
And that "obviously biased" news sourced, is itself sourced. You're not gonna get an MSNBC newspiece or whatever it is you consider "unbiased" because all of western mainstream media is owned and controlled by capitalists and they have a vested interest in the zionist project.
Also your statement that there are non-genocidal isntreally bombs is a pretty bold one all things considered, care to give an example of one such bomb you would consider justified?
It is the ROOT cause of racism and white supremacy.^[Citation needed] These are integral to colonialism.
Integral doesn't mean they are the root cause? The wheels are integral to the cars movement, doesn't mean they make the car move
You have failed to prove your point.
So have you
You have also failed to defend Christianity.
That was never my intention. I want to point at the cause of settlerism (in Palestine and elsewhere) and not have smug western atheist thinking they are not part of the problem just by not being religious.
Take your goalposts and go the fuck home unless you have something other than denialism to add to the conversation.
I have in my corner
- Marx (Capital)
- Lenin (Imperialism, the final stage of capitalism)
- Michael Hudson (Superimperialism)
- J. Sakai (READSETTLERS.ORG which I've been adding at every point)
so I have more than denialism to add, you on the other hand don't even make an argument at how religion gives rise to racism (and white supremacy? as if they're distinct?) or try to explain why any of the other christian sects didn't suddenly spawn racism, you're pinholed into not just a european christianity, but western european christianity specifically and from there extrapolate to all of Christianity and Judaism at least, I'm not sure how far you're willing to extrapolate from there all abrahamic religions? all organized religions? all religions? What level of idealism are we on?
Ok so we are in agreement?? Because that's what I was saying. I mean I dont know if would say they are more powerful than the US or blackrock but very powerful still
It's well sourced and has been reliable for the last years. You can close your eyes and ears and continue caping for settlers of course. I stand with the resistance against genocide.
No shifting the goalposts! This was my original claim
blaming religion for pissraels crime is like blaming christianity for the colonisation of americas. It's a tool used, not the root cause.
The analogy I used elsewhere was
Like the wheels don’t power the car but are essential for it’s movement. There are also other uses for wheels, but there is only one use for a car motor.
to show this I only need to show examples where christianity hasn't caused settler-colonialism and one example was ethiopian christians. You then blamed the ethiopians for their societies state and not the colonizers.
your claim that christianity (or rather all religion? Seeing the religious justification for pissrahell is judaism) is the cause is a much stronger one that requires more than some articles off of a half-assed google search. I however linked you a video that details the rise of us evangelical missionaries as caused by the empire and not the other way around. And a whole-ass book on settlerism.
Do I need to remind you that it was used to justify the slave trade and led to the concept of race which has been used to divide and destroy people lives ever since?
so you agree it was a justification, not the cause?
Please point out how Christianity has stopped war and brought us to peace.
Strawman so dry australia declared it a national threat
I am acutely aware of colonialism and the slave trade having studied it for years.
and yet, no opinions on readsettlers.org?
Doesn't make any of the pissrahellisbombs justified. Also tell thatto the iof that murdered most of them
Blaming the overexploited for the problems in their society is a fucked up thing to do. Do you not realise that the homophobia in africa is not due to christianity which had been there for over a thousand years before the colonisers? I guess you do because you correctly blame US evangelicals (
if only someone had linked a video detailing the rise of US evangelical missions due to imperialism and not the other way aroundgot my threads mixed up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hePRA9yVdQE) so I don't know what your point actually is... is the oppression inherent to christianity or did it come from outside?also calling others ignorant while and refusing to readsettlers.org is such an onbrand thing to do lmao
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Distract who?