It appears to be confusing because other people also read your comments in the same way as me. Thank you for clarifying though, I understand that it must be frustrating getting your thoughts hijacked like that! Before I say anything else, I'd also like to clarify that, in my first comment, I didn't mean your comment in particular – I was replying to someone who already replied to you after all – but a wider trend I can't describe more specifically without naming names, which I don't want to do. With that being said,

LLMs will certainly be a part of its development.

Why certainly? That's the point where what you are saying now can feel like part of that LLM hype bullshit because I don't see how a chatbot can help a planned economy. Other machine learning models, sure, and I've fantasised about this before too, but LLMs seem to be orthogonal to this use case. Or do you rather mean that the insights obtained while developing LLMs can help us towards those better machine learning applications?

I meant buying into capitalist marketing :p

Good point besides that!

Of course LLMs aren't a simulation of consciousness with the same abilities of a human, the idea is that if a model was trained first on Marxist theory and history before taking in more information through that perspective there could be a point where this can be used to simulate economic models that would be useful for economic planning.

You couldn't make it any more confusing than talking about LLMs and economic model simulation in a single sentence then.

As for the inadequate education standards, I think the commodification of education destroyed and devalued these standards in pretty much any field so it's not surprising that it is the case in computer science. But if you are interested enough in computer science to enter a university and/or work in the field, surely you might at least read up on machine learning and have the necessary background to kind of understand how it works and what it can and cannot do?

Not very Marxist innit

You are confusing the wider field of machine learning, which has been developing in strides throughout 2010s (and before that really) without the media overhyping it to the extent that people think machines can think now, and LLMs, which birthed the media hype cycle that is the subject of criticism in this thread.

You overestimate the abilities of programmers.

It's rather that I don't want to make assumptions about the abilities of my peers. While it is true that people I respect and look up to in the hacker/FOSS space are all vehemently against the LLM hype, disregarding the opinion of others on the grounds of feeling smarter than them doesn't satisfy me. I wish to understand why they feel the way they feel and I just can't, hence the being gaslighted feeling I described in my first comment.

I like your username (and you, I think).

It's an interesting observation but I think it kind of breaks down when considering that some of the people doing the LLM gaslighting are trained programmers or computer scientists.

The fact that even here, in our Marxist circles, people don't get that and keep talking about LLMs "taking over" anything makes me feel gaslighted.

I am not going to dox myself but let's just say I have first-hand experience with how "important" the 1st of May is in Russia and certain other post-Soviet countries. Have you ever been to Russia to tell me I am pulling shit out of my ass?

Kazakhstan has a government holiday on the 1st of May, except they renamed it to "The Day of Unity of Kazakhstan Peoples". In Russia and Tajikistan it has also been renamed but differently – to "The Day of Spring and Labour", with the emphasis on spring of course lest the plebs remember what the holiday was supposed to be about. So I wouldn't even put Russia on this map, personally.

That is understandable and I agree that Nazis (both Ukrainian and Russian in my experience as a Russian speaker btw) love to make that distinction between a pure Slav/Rusich and impure Mongols.

Помогите, империя зла заставляет меня говорить на искуственном языке!

P.S. Using the word "horde" in this context isn't racist since this word comes to English from the word Turkic tribes used to describe several concepts related to their statehood, i.e., the horde is just what they called themselves. In fact, the word is still actively used by the descendant Turkic states, e.g., the residence of the president of Kazakhstan is referred to as Ak Orda – white horde. What is racist is all the negative connotations and associations this word acquired once adopted to English.

I was going to comment on that original post that shit like this makes me uncomfortable to even mention I'm Jewish in certain parts of the internet before I noticed the post has already been removed. I hope he stays banned.

Recently started doing the same, it makes sense to me.

Why is intellectual property in quotes and what is the point I am missing? When did anyone say intellectual property is not real? I genuinely do not understand your response, sorry.

As far as I know, the reality is that patents are harmful to innovation, especially digital innovation, and antithetical to social ownership of the means of production, especially in our age of knowledge economy. China is leading in innovation today but, as comrade blobjim pointed out at the beginning of this thread, this has nothing to do with patents – and I am now also claiming that giving in to the pressures of the global capital and accepting patents as a necessity and a yardstick of success will prove to be stifling to innovation. In light of all of this, I look at the OP and don't see a reason to be triumphant.

Intellectual property is theft. Does the OP expect us to cheer at how good China is at being capitalist?

What if your childhood friend is the cow and the other entity at gunpoint is an unfamiliar human?