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I'm Buckminster Burkeswood (I'm also, mr.prol1f1c), and I live in the layer above this one, the part you mistake for déjà vu. I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.

  • The artist who drew the work using a computer back then, was Mike Saenz. He also created the cover for Chicago punk band Naked Raygun's first album Throb Throb, which I think looks way cooler:

  • For the record, the actual artist is Skip Williamson. :)

  • Thanks for posting this!

  • Good for you, brother!

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    Snappy Sammy Smoot -- "Revolutionary Scrapbook" (fighting fascism late 60's-early 70's)

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    Snappy Sammy Smoot -- "Revolutionary Scrapbook" (fighting fascism late 60's-early 70's)

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    Mutt and Jeff -- "Come In" (1911)

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    Krazy Kat -- 8-28-1918

  • Also, everything I see in your community is exactly the kind of art, artists, and overall vibe I wish that Lemmy was. Lemmy could become the new Heavy Metal, where a mix of new and established artists gather in one place and build a real art scene.

    What I want is a space where artists actually come together, support each other, share work, and push into new territory instead of just sniping at each other.

    Lemmy could be perfect for that. That’s honestly why I post my stuff here. I’m trying to help pull it in that direction. Lemmy seems resistant to my plan tho. lol

  • Great points! I’ve love AI as a research engine, especially for tracking down obscure older comic art. I’m not anti-AI at all. I think it’s one of the best tools we’ve gotten in a long time. I also think future generations will have less knee-jerk pushback, and they’ll use it to make genuinely cool stuff, both in art and in tech.

    Again, to me, there’s a difference between AI slop and AI as a tool. A lot of people aren’t making that distinction. They’re using “AI slop” as a generic insult because they’re angry at the idea of AI, not because they carefully looked at the result. Maybe.

    Another thing that I think may be happening, especially with non-artists who don’t know the tools, is they might be seeing sign of computer involvement and assume it must be AI. I scan my art into Photoshop-type programs to clean up lines, fix circles, fill black spots, add text, and handle textures. That’s normal digital cleanup, but I think some people interpret that as “AI artifacts.” Not to mention, most cartoonist these days create entirely on the computer. I should probably get a tablet to draw my stuff on, so I should make that update too. I have to find a good one that works with linux tho.

    At first I told myself I’d ignore the AI comments. But I wasn’t getting neutral questions like, “Is this AI?” I was getting stuff like “I smell slop,” and “Get out of here with your AI slop!”

    So I posted my step-by-step process, and some people still refused to believe it. That’s when I realized a lot of them weren’t actually interested in the truth. They were venting. And I think some of your points touched on the reasoning behind that.

    What disappointed me most was the toxicity it brings out. I expected Lemmy to be a more nuanced, fun cutting edge indie version of Reddit. I figured the slightly higher barrier to entry would lead to better conversations.

    That hasn’t been my experience! lol

    People here often seem more angry, more sarcastic, and more eager to dogpile.

    And it’s not about people disliking my work. I’m fine with that, and I’m used to it. The frustrating part is the accusations, and then the doubling down even after I show evidence.

    So now, if I get an AI comment, I'll just send a link to my process and move on. Trying to persuade people or argue with them didn’t work. That one’s on me, lol

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    Ashtray Gospel -- "Best Friends"

  • Yeah, it was such a great scene back then. I'm old, but not THAT old, so I was too young to see it all live as it happened. I did live in San Francisco for a bit, so I got to see a lot of leftovers from that time period. Fun stuff.

    As for me being flippant, it’s pretty hard to stay friendly when people literally reply with just “AI slop!” after I post something I spent all day working on. Then when I explain that I drew it myself, how I did, and post pics of me doing it, I get some variation of, “But it looks like AI drew it! Spammer!” That logic makes no sense, because if you know anything about AI, you know AI is trained on real drawings and real images. It looks like real art because it learned from real art. So now people act like real images “look like AI,” when in reality AI was built to look like real images in the first place.

    I legit got accused of using an "ai font." Like, really? What does that even mean?! lol https://lemmy.world/comment/21579257

    (I'm cool with that poster now, by the way. But it just shows the extremes some people look for when they want to see ai everywhere)

    It won't stop me. But what really bothers me is thinking about the 14-year-old kid in his bedroom who posts his stuff on Lemmy and it gets called AI over and over. How long is he actually going to keep sharing his work after that. Maybe he just says, “Fuck Lemmy,” and leaves. That’s our loss. Worse scenario tho, maybe he thinks, “What’s the point of drawing or showing anything at all?” and stops drawing completely. That’s the world’s loss.

    I actually don't hate AI. I think it can do some amazing shit. Even art. For me, it's the end product. I don't have to imagine someone working hard or crying or being crazy or whatever to appreciate an image. If ya just pushed a button, and it looks cool, cool! I don't do that, but I don't care if you do. It's just the mean and rude comments right off, and calling freakin everything slop now.

    AI isn't going to go away, no matter how angry Lemmy is about it. But real world artists WILL go away, or at least leave Lemmy, if they constantly have to defend themselves. I'd rather just someone keep their rude comments to themselves.

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    The Introduction - Rinat Gazizov (surreal animation)

  • Yeah, I tried to ask her years later, and she couldn't remember. And I was too young to know the details, but some of them were pretty legit. I'm sure he was still just a salesman for them, since it's not like they were giving me a free ride there, but I was still pretty stoked! I should spend a day or two doing a deep dive into them, cuz now I'm curious! lol

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    The early days of Berkeley’s now-gone Print Mint, home to some of the best underground comix of the day

    www.berkeleyside.org /2016/12/05/photos-the-early-days-of-berkeleys-now-gone-print-mint
  • Good eye. I remember those too.

    What’s wild is that when I sent in a different drawing from another comic, a guy actually showed up at our house about three months later and talked to my mom. He saw my age, I was probably around 10, and he told her I should come to their little illustration school when I got older.

    I was thrilled, but my mom said art school wasn’t happening because we couldn’t afford it. :(

    I did end up going to local state university for graphic design tho, and worked my entire career in the field before retiring recently. So it's fun to be able to just make little random toons for Lemmy now. :)

  • According to many on Lemmy, yeah, we all are.

  • Yep, it works now! Thank you!!

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    Stale Gags -- "Just typing away..."

  • Nah, homie, people gotta use snail mail and send a S.A.S.E.

  • Thank you! You're doing awesome and this is an awesome instance, so no worries, brother!

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    Stale Gags -- "Knitting"

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    Ashtray Gospel -- "Brother"

  • Yeah, I wanna see what one looks like.

  • It is now, cuz it's on the interwebs. Also the sidebar says: "General comics talk is encouraged too." But just for you, Imma change the comm name to "Cartoons and Web Comics," since I like talking about all kinds of comics and toons stuff. So thanks for pointing it out, brother!

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    Problems of Space Travel (1953)

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    Captain Tootsie -- "Battles Monster Man" August 1943

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    Centaur Boy -- "Fishing?"

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    Ashtray Gospel -- "Nah."

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    Ashtray Gospel -- "Lessons"

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    Ashtray Gospel -- "Lessons"

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    My Art Workflow/Process for Krunn Comics

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    Krunn and Frank -- "Lemmy's at Critical Mass"

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    Krunn and Frank -- "Lemmy's at Critical Mass"