It's possible that not all of it is brigading but when 10 or 12 accounts with no content at all or content that's old as heck come to start downvoting I think it's safe to call that an act of brigading, which is my I'm saying there is brigading.

I’m just a weird, furry, pan guy (cis he/him).

Hey appreciate the commentary but you aren't a woman and this is a women's space.

The fact you aren't banned from dbzer0 is proof enough for me, (at least that it isn't the obvious kind) since multiple other people have been banned for brigading and vote manipulation.

That's good, glad to hear it. That wasn't really something I was arguing against though with the OG claim, as I have no doubt that some probably many of the vote manipulation accounts out there are manually operated.

Not even that, just certain communities here which allow AI. They could make an anti-AI community here if it follows all of dbzer0's rules, is good faith and doesn't encourage trolling or aggression towards others.

Probably would have to be a civil community that doesn't allow fighting, trolling, bad-jacketing, etc. to be allowed or considered acceptable on dbzer0 and people would probably whine that they're being suppressed anyway because of that. So I don't know if it would help much.

The bottom line is that this is being discussed because the ones doing it are trolling, being hostile, and also bad-jacketing users (a lot of bad-jacketing).

Yeah, I wouldn't be either, there have been brigades for a while actually and all the brigaders claim they aren't that it's just "individual opinions". It is hard to know definitively and that's really what they use to not get caught. Even if some of the people I've banned aren't technically brigaders I don't feel bad about it since they were anti-AI trolls in the first place, they don't get anything out of my community. None of them are innocent or have been. OP of this thread certainly also isn't innocent.

I'm in favor of this change. This crowd of people are obviously entitled to their own opinions are objective fact and attack others who don't agree, or try to attack and suppress spaces which don't hold their beliefs. Hence the brigading. So I do believe we as an instance should take a stance against anti-AI trolling and the Anti-AI trolls that crawl Lemmy as aggressively as they do.

I vote to implement this change.

I don't think this is banning anti-genai discourse entirely, but the non-civil trolling those people do needs to go. Also a community like !stable_diffusion_art@lemmy.dbzer0.com, !share_anime_art@lemmy.dbzer0.com, or !leftymemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com really isn't the place to debate that shit at all. Also if people are going to try their hardest to fight those communities by making accounts to downvote posts and users in it non-stop they should be booted, that's brigading.

Also it's really only for communities which allow AI-gen content, ones which don't aren't subject to the change (within reason, aggressive trolls or people harassing others would still be banned since that's a no-no even now).

I think @shaiatan@midwest.social is probably another one, does have history, but 2 months inactive. Maybe I'm being too aggressive but this Anti-AI brigade is out of control.

Yeah I agree, the Anti AI movement (and it is a movement) is extremely reactionary and doesn't accomplish anything. Certainly isn't helping artists. And yeah they're not even comparable to luddites who went after factories back in the day. Anti-AI trolls are going after individual people, often harassing people, also deciding to use any arguments even ones proven to be lies or faulty. They're inadvertently helping big corporations by making themselves and their movement look like quacks or trolls.

Yeah, thanks for the heads up. I’ve proposed in !div0_governance@lemmy.dbzer0.com to update the instance rules to disallow anti-genAI trolling in communities where genAI is allowed. They can take their pro-copyright-rentseeking campaign elsewhere. Don’t know why they thought it would fly here.

Did you post it yet? I didn't see it there.

Now you have convinced me to block this entire instance because of this abhorrent behavior.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out, troll.

@DrAwkwArD@lemmy.world You have no post or comment history whatsoever for two years, yet here you are in this thread downvoting comments. Sus...

@Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com This is what I mean when I say there is brigading here, people are using bots or their own alt accounts to vote on accounts

You’re conflating an “anti-AI movement” with just not liking AI.

@Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com is literally an admin, they have access to voter and user metric data that you don't. Who are you to claim there isn't brigading or a movement going on? That's right you don't and can't actually know better than they do. If I didn't know better I might think you were trying to deny this issue due to your part in it.

There is no brigade. You need to stop trying to redefine that term. There is no coordination, no plan, no private organizing. What you see is an entirely natural, decentralized reaction to an obnoxious and harmful trend.

This isn't something you can deny or prove innocence of, as brigaders and astroturfers are known to lie about their intentions, but FYI by trying to deny the existence or nature of brigading you've already failed and made yourself look even more suspicious. They always are "individual opinions" or "grassroots movements" according to the ones participating but the proof is in the votes and comment history of the users, and yours doesn't make you look particularly good.

lol, showing your true colors now I see?

That's a very overcrowded prison cell

YDI, what did you expect coming into a leftist anti-copyright community on a leftist anti-copyright instance? You whine about AI in every post and comment using it. You need to learn to block them, otherwise you'll keep having experiences like these.

You need to use the block function instead of brigading communities and users who post AI content here. Activitypub services provide you with ways to stop seeing content you dislike in your communities. You're choosing not to use it and instead complaining that the content exists, when it and the users who post it have more than every right to post it in this community.

If you are an instance admin you can choose not to federate with it but you aren't, you're a user. So either suck it up or block some people and communities.