[question] Are human rights a valid social intervention or harmful?

social.sdf.org Kashif Shah (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] So what is your take on the (1948) UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights and (1976) International Convention on Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights? Valid social interventions or harmful? #humanrights #psychology #sociology #research #UNUD...

So what is your take on the (1948) UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights and (1976) International Convention on Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights?

Valid social interventions or harmful?

#humanrights #psychology #sociology #research #unudhr

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Given the age of those articles, I hardly see much need to read over them with a fine tooth comb (but if someone cares to, by all means please do!)
I'm just gonna start with some personal thoughts, then go into some modern day simple but sad facts..
"I have the right to wipe my ass with a pinecone, but that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do."
But at the same time, it's the year 2024, and I don't have the right to live in a dwelling without electricity. I don't have the right to pump my own water from the ground.
In most areas, if you don't have these services, you'll be evicted and become homeless. Even if you have your own self sustainable means, or just don't even care for electricity, you're still required to...
Where are our rights at again?
- Given the age of those articles
  These "articles" are international agreements between UN member states that have gone on to inspire the vast majority of the corpus of international human rights law.
  Where are our rights at again?
  Here are the "Universal Human Rights Instruments" that have been built into international law through treaties.
  https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-listings#tab-2
  Take some time to read through those to get a sense of what is possible with the current instruments available by law.
  
  Point is, those declarations are so old that they're almost irrelevant these days.
  Why don't I have the right to live off the grid? The 'grid', as we know it today, didn't even exist in the 1970s.
  Maybe they should update the terms and service EULA for being born...
  
  Point is, those declarations are so old that they’re almost irrelevant these days.
  By that argument, the US Constitution is irrelevant. And yet, it is the US Constitution that gives the weight of the supreme law of the land to its treaties. Ratifying the International Covenant on Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights makes key human rights the supreme law of the land.
  I believe that means that those declarations are supremely relevant, still today.
  Why don’t I have the right to live off the grid? The ‘grid’, as we know it today, didn’t even exist in the 1970s.
  Who is telling you that you don't have that right?
  Maybe they should update the terms and service EULA for being born…
  That is as follows: UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights
  
  The US Constitution is very relevant, it just needs some updated amendments...
  
  And we need to ratify the international treaties that we've signed.
  
  I fully agree with you, believe it or not.
  Just saying, the terms and service of being born and breathing the air that carries the radio waves probably needs a good fair update, to give people the option to opt out.
  
  I believe you. And I get some of where you are coming from.
  Ultimately, we are all free to go off and buy land and create our own countries and all that type of thing, but sometimes it is easier to play ball within the context of human rights and your existing nation state.
  But do avail yourself of your right to move to a different country, if you can establish such an arrangement with a country of your liking.
  edit: sometimes i wish we had a "citizen exchange program" where you could go off and be a random citizen in a random country for a little while.

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