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  • Tuvok and Neelix died, painlessly and unaware of their fate, in a transporter accident.

    Tumorless-Guy died, painless and unaware of their fate, as a tumor grew in their head. It was a tragedy, but it happened. Tumor-guy, also a sentient being but a different personality than the last one, was intentionally killed if his tumor is removed. It's as simple as that.

    You can't just dismiss the entire argument without presenting an actual counter to it.

    How is the game

    Something. It's worth a few bucks, which is what it's priced, but it's nothing massive to write home about. A fun little timesink. Cm0002 actually bought it for me and I've been putting far too much time into it. It's fun to be able to do things differently. Biggest one so far is beating the Hirogen in a fight over the array which got the full transmission from Starfleet. Kes is sticking around too, not sure what I did to change that.

  • That's fair.

    I'd kill him every time and I wouldn't have an ounce of regret. The only mistake Janeway made was feeling bad about herself.

  • The actor who played Tuvix himself said that there was no tension in the entire episode and there shouldn't have been. He always was going to be 'killed', regardless of contracts.

  • By watching the episode? There's a scene where Janeway says that it's been 2 weeks, then there's a short time period jump and she says the past "few weeks". If I remember correctly, the showrunners or something established it was also about a month that he was alive. Memory Alpha also suggests "nearly a month".

  • I've been playing the Voyager - Across the Unknown game and I kill Tuvix. Everytime.

    As far as I'm concerned, he was never actually a real person.

    Lets say that a human gets a tumor in their head and changes their personality. A treatment can't be done at the moment but might be able to in the future. The tumor-dude says "Sure, lets get rid of the tumor" but after a month he 'likes' his new personality and doesn't "want to die". In this case, he's not in his right mind. He's been compromised and doesn't get a say in his own treatment. You could argue until you are blue in the face that this is a new person. Even if the tumor is totally benign, then you suddenly are presented with the exact same argument as Tuvix was. Do you "kill" this new personality? Or do you excise the tumor to get the old person back?

    No one in their right mind would ever argue that you leave the tumor in and let the "new person" get a say. However, the second that two people are involved, evidently it's an entirely different argument. It isn't. It's the exact same argument, just Trek flavored like everything else. Two people went down to the planet and came back up. A genetic aberration, caused by a flower, causes their personality to morph. The fact that it is two people and that their biology ends up merging is irrelevant. It's still the same argument being made but suddenly a different outcome is needed.

    Janeway's argument that she gave to Tuvok later (as from her autobiography) was that she did not owe anything to Tuvix. He had no family, had no one. He was just a guy who was there that was covered in the blood of two other people. One of those people, Tuvok, she had spoken to the wife of and promised that she would get him home safe. She asked how she could look her in the eye knowing that she didn't do whatever she could to save Tuvok's life. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or, indeed, the one."

    Tuvix was around for a month but he wasn't alive for a month. He was a brain tumor that was waiting to be removed.

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  • So many people complained about the buggy but I never got it. We've seen tons of situations where the shuttles aren't totally viable so it makes sense that they'd have a backup. And humans like to have fun. If Picard never had a reason to bring that out until now, makes sense he'd want to enjoy it the same way any Dad does when they pull out a new tool/toy for the first time.

  • I'll just die instead, thanks Morph

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  • You're damn right.

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  • I have no idea how everyone seems to have missed this.

    Humans eat sheep.

    In future humans find sheep people.

    Sheep people think they're going to eat them.

    Like...

  • I mean do you appreciate a gay character who is very obviously just put there for diversity points?

    Yes.

    It's almost like seeing a version of yourself on screen helps you feel normal about who you are, making you feel not alone.

    Stop dismissing the importance of representation for people who typically get none.

  • Just a bump and a reminder. Also happens to be a friend of mine and this is just fucking heartbreaking...

  • Just a bump and a reminder. Also happens to be a friend of mine and this is just fucking heartbreaking...

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  • It also just flies in the face of the tagline of the series. Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. Applies to the shows as much as people. They're allowed to be different and change things. Stagnation is death.

  • Same. Dude was very fucked up. Didn't agree with him all the time but I liked the depth and the severe cracks and flaws in someone that wants to be a good man but is weighed down by extreme baggage.

  • Nah. I'd say what ruins the spirit of Star Trek is when people see a Trek they don't like and the first thing they do is just complain about it. The new shows do not and cannot ruin the spirit of the old ones. They still exist. They stand. Unchanged. Character development, whether you like it or not, does not hampen lessons learned or impact from the older shows.

    Let people enjoy the new shows in peace. Not everything requires a negative comment for literally no reason, completely unprompted.