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powerstruggle

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  • Judith Butler is one of those people that, when you find yourself agreeing with her, you should sit back and really consider how you arrived at that conclusion. She's not always wrong, but she's very wrong on a lot of stuff, including the gamete definition. Here's one example:

    https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2025/04/01/judith-butler-on-trumps-eos-with-an-emphasis-on-sex-and-gender/

    You may see elsewhere in this thread where I point out the difference between sex determination and sex definition, which is mentioned in that link:

    Here she conflates “determination” with “definition”, a bad move for someone as smart as Butler.

    The gist of the article is:

    Butler should have done her homework.

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  • You unfortunately have a grossly distorted view of what the scientific consensus is. There's a few extremists pushing for silly things, but no, sex is binary. Sex phenotypes aren't binary, but those aren't how sex is defined

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  • I wish this were for fun. Unfortunately, you're being anti-science

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  • Sarcasm works better if you respond coherently. You doing math with gametes?

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  • Yeah, it's sad. I don't understand why people think gender is at odds with science. That's the whole point of differentiating sex vs gender.

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  • Well, no. People just misunderstand what sex means in that context. You can't disentangle sex vs gender from evolutionary biology.

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  • You seem like you should know better. From the first link:

    Instead, most characteristics ascribed to males and females fall along a spectrum with two peaks, one the average for females and the other the average for males. For instance, on average, males are taller than females and have more muscle mass, more red blood cells and a higher metabolism.

    But almost nobody fits in the peak for all those measures for their sex, Lents says. “There’s plenty of women who are taller than plenty of men. There are plenty of women who have higher metabolic rates than some men, even though the averages are different.

    “If you define biological sex purely on the gametes, you’re going to ignore most of what actually matters to your daily life, including in your social life,” he says. “Reducing sex to a binary really doesn’t make a lot of sense for how we actually live.”

    It confuses sex phenotypes with sex, which is a basic error. That's not how sex is defined, it's defined entirely by gamete size because no other definition makes sense.

    Intersex is a confusing term, because you will either have a male or female DSD

    Your other links are talking about variations within a sex. You also misunderstand how sex is determined vs how it is defined.

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  • I didn't say that nobody is born with a body that doesn't produce gametes. I said nobody is born with a body organized around producing no gametes. Ask your professor about the difference.

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  • There is no "who", it's the process of evolution over billions of years. Our bodies aren't blank slates.

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  • What exactly do you mean by "has no concept"? I don't think you quite understand what you're talking about.

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  • Sure, are you aware of any outliers in this case?

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  • I'm doing nothing other than relaying how the field of biology uses the terms.

    You're also confusing biology being messy in general, vs finding one particular area where it isn't

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  • Nobody has a body organized around producing no gametes

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  • You're kind of shooting the messenger here. It's literally how sex is defined and used in biology, I'm just letting you know.

    Not producing gametes doesn't confuse things. Nobody is born with a body organized around producing a third gamete size, or no gamete size.

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  • What's interesting about sex being binary is that biology is really messy and hard, and it's kind of amazing that we found such a universal definition.

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  • It's very much the usual definition in biology. There's no other definition that makes sense, because the animal kingdom is so varied. Sex is entirely defined by gamete size, and not producing gametes doesn't confuse things. There is no body type that is organized around producing a third gamete size, or no gamete size.

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  • Sex is binary, because there are two sizes of gametes. Sex is determined in humans by chromosomes (and is rather messy, as you note). Sex is defined by gamete size, because it's the only common factor across so many different species. Some animals have their sex determined by the temperature while they're developing instead of chromosomes, but we can still differentiate between males and females by gamete size.