Frankly, it's easier to convince them to see Hexbear and lemmygrad for themselves, that way they are willingly choosing to look at it and may see some decent points that were fully hidden away thanks to defed and the slander against it
I personally joined because I wanted to see oh-so-evil Hexbear in action and realised that it wasn't oh-so-evil
The main point they provide is that 'we can't do anything', their form of cope is 'we can't do anything', and since they believe that to continue functioning, they genuinely do not do anything, only mildly support some movements or something, being careful not to support anything that may affect them because 'atleast i should be able to continue living like this'
Everyone* is convinced everything will go to shit if it isn't Europe, if not USA staying as a superpower
...wow it's my first time hearing intervision.