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  • As a Brit I would support the UK reducing its ties with the US and increasing its ties with Europe. The UK's values (democracy, rule of law, public healthcare, welfare safety net) are closer to those of Europe, than those of the US. Maybe over the next few years the UK will slowly get closer to Europe.

    You said before that "those fuckers... voted for Brexit" but remember that only 52% of voters supported Brexit and 48% were against it, and Brexit is now less popular than it was in 2016.

  • Yes they probably would form a coalition if one of those parties won the election and the other could provide enough seats for a majority. But if the right-wing vote were split between Reform and the Tories then probably neither would win the election. Anyway I guess we'll see. Hope for the best, expect the worst.

  • If Reform do win the next election then sure, I strongly doubt they would introduce proportional representation. But if the UK did have proportional representation then Reform would be nowhere near a majority in parliament, since their share of the vote (in current polling) is about 33% at most.

  • I’m not sure it will do much good, the numbers are very close when it comes to CON + “reform” , compared to LIB + LAB. (~10mil v ~12 mil, favouring left).

    Fair point. The latest YouGov poll shows 44% of British voters favouring Reform and the Tories so I guess a majority are against the Tories and Reform. But yeah, due to being split between different parties, Reform look likely to win the next election. We really should have proportional representation.

  • Speaking of left-wing purity tests, when the next UK election comes, I wonder if anti-Reform voters will be able to unite around a single party to keep Reform out of power, or whether they'll be spread into factions between Labour/LibDems/Greens/SNP/Plaid and even the Tories.

    If anti-Reform voters can't unite behind a single party then Farage will surely be the next prime minister.

  • True. They could be fined more for certain practices.

  • Yeah regulation is important. Previously you mentioned European democracy. Ideally European companies will be accountable to Europeans through a democratic European parliament. Whereas Americans could elect a government (perhaps the current one) who will tell AWS to seize private data of European governments on AWS servers.

  • I've heard good things about Kofola. I'll try to remember to buy some if I find myself back in central Europe.

  • Sure, ideally any European tech companies wouldn't replicate the enshittification of America's big tech companies. Still, I think it would be good if Europe had larger tech companies, who can provide what Europe's companies and governments need. At the moment Europe relies on Microsoft Windows, Oracle, AWS, etc. If European companies could serve those needs then those companies would be accountable to European law. It could avoid a situation where Trump decides he wants to spy on European government data stored on AWS servers, for example.

  • I don't want monopolies or enshittification. I think it would be good though to have a European tech sector which can meet Europe's needs, instead of companies and governments in Europe relying on Google, Microsoft, Meta, etc. The (now more unpredictable) US government could compel those companies to give info from European government customers to US authorities, for example. I read a story about this the other day: "Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native".

  • Farage would probably trigger the clause and spend massive sums of taxpayers' money to cut ties with the EU. Anything to satisfy his 19th century vision of the world.

  • Yes there are different languages and cultures in Europe; I don't want to diminish those. Integration between European countries is still possible though. Look at Airbus, which is registered as a "Societas Europaea" (European company), and which has manufacturing facilities in multiple European countries. Airbus is one of the leading global companies in aviation. Maybe one day Europe will have some big tech companies with offices across Europe. Currently there are companies like Spotify and SAP but of course they're not as big as Google, Microsoft, or Tencent in China, etc.

  • I guess when people talk about Europe they mainly mean the EU and countries allied with it (UK, Norway, Switzerland, Iceland, etc). Russia is Eurasian anyway: some territory traditionally considered to be within the historical borders of Europe, and lots of territory within Asia.

  • Maybe Europe should have more integration so it can better stand up against the US, China, and Russia, all three of whom would probably love to tear apart Europe for themselves

  • I was reading an opinion piece about this sort of thing earlier today, "Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native". It opens by saying:

    I'm an eighth-generation American, and let me tell you, I wouldn't trust my data, secrets, or services to a US company these days for love or money.

  • The de facto most important instance is surely Lemmy.world. So I guess Lemmy.ml can be mostly ignored

  • Many are, unfortunately

  • I meant allegations about harassing and attacking