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  • The latest information I could find about it is from October 2024. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs wrote back then,

    Approximately 100 Canadians are detained in China at any given time on a broad range of offences, ranging from basic infractions (e.g. immigration violations) to more serious charges such as drug trafficking and fraud.

    No country except the US has more of its citizens detained in China than Canada.

    As an addition: There is an interesting comment by Michael Kovrig from July 2025 when China Secretly Executed Four Canadians.

    How Beijing uses the death penalty as diplomatic leverage.

  • there can be local supply chains in Canada that are created out of these investments

    I don't think so.

    Chinese companies bring their own migrant workers - who then work under slave-like conditions as we have seen in Brazil's BYD plant last year, to name a recent example.

    And they also have fully integrated supply chains, meaning they purchase their parts from Chinese suppliers.

    The only thing it does is to create hurdles for Canada to rebuild its own car industry.

    If Canada want to really create supply chains, it must create ventures with European, Japanese, South Korean producers.

  • This rage bait would have a much larger impact if it was not in fact 2 stories above another story about Canada building Chinese EV's to export to the rest of the world.

    This is a false assumption.

    If if Chinese subsidiaries in Canada would built cars (for export or the domestic markets), Canada and Canadians wouldn't benefit much. Chinese companies bring their own migrant workers - who then work under slave-like conditions as we have seen in Brazil's BYD plant last year, to name a recent example.

    And they also have fully integrated supply chains, meaning they purchase their parts from Chinese suppliers.

    The only thing it does is to create hurdles for Canada to rebuild its own car industry.

  • For the US that may be true in the long term as its the only direct neighbour.

    For China it's not true. As I said, less than 4% of Canadian exports go to China, and 12% of its imports come from China.

    At the same time, democratic countries which share similar values play a minimal role so far. The UK has a similar relevance like China as an export partner, but EU members' shares in both exports and imports are mostly 1% or lower. There is a huge potential, and it would help Canada's economy and independence if and when it strengthens its ties with these countries.

    China isn't a necessity, and it's not a reliable partner as we have seen so often in the past. Las year Carney himself declared China as "Canada's biggest security threat." He should act accordingly.

  • Yeah, it must feel good to wake up in the morning as a tankie and know the ultimate truth about everything and how to explain it to us simpletons.

  • Is this why they ban all foreign media in China?

  • This has nothing to do with EVs or some poll or your o mine opinion on any topic. The source is deliberately spreading anti-democratic, authoritarian propaganda. It ultimately aims at suppressing any freedom of opinion.

  • As an addition a personal opinion: I don't mind to engage in trade with China, but I argue that Mr. Carney's Canada-China deal, if not corrected or even deepened, will reap benefits only for one side. And this side is not Canada.

    According to the current deal, Canada delivers commodities (canola) to China, but China delivers high-end products (EVs) to Canada. Deals like this will erode the Canadian industrial base further. At its peak almost one generation ago, in 1999, Canada produced more than 3 million cars. Today it produces 1.3 million.

    Furthermore, this trade deal will increase Canada's trade deficit with China which already stands at around 40 billion US dollars, according to Comtrade.

    While China is Canada's second-largest trading partner (behind the U.S.), less then 4% of Canada's exports go to China (U.S. counts for almost 77%), and 12% of Canadian imports come from China. On the other hand, only 2% of China's imports come from and only 1.3% of China's exports go to Canada.

    This means Canada plays an even much smaller role for China than China does for Canada, making Ottawa extremely vulnerable for future political and economic coercion, which is definitely a major part in Beijing's playbook as we have seen in the past.

    This is why Canada's future lies elsewhere, namely in trade and economic ties with countries of shared democratic values such as those in Europe, in Australia and New Zealand, in South Korea and Japan.

    These democratic countries play a minimal role for Canada both in exports and imports, which means there is a huge potential for the future.

    [Edit typo.]

  • The GT is a Chinese state-controlled propaganda medium.

  • Such incentives should be available only for 'Made in Canada' products. If parts are manufactured abroad, it should be in countries with appropriate working conditions are in place. The EU is in the process of establishing a similar law afaik. But Canada should avoid even buying, let alone incentivizing purchases of cars built by coerced labor.

  • I agree. But such incentives should be given only if a substantial part of the overall product benefits the Canadian economy. If parts from abroad are used, then those areas or countries that share Canadian democratic values may be given a similar status imo. Canada shouldn't give money to autocratic states where people often work under slave-like conditions.

  • Such incentives should be available only for 'Made in Canada' products (and I mean really made in Canada, not just sold by a company with headquarters in Canada but all the production abroad). The EU is in the process of establishing a similar a law afaik.

  • the fact developers are making proposals does not imply they'll actually get approved

    The vast majority of such proposals are getting approved, and the report finds that the approvals for coal power “continue to reflect expectations of high operating hours."

    This comes as China already burns more than half of the world's coal, and it has been increasing its coal production as well as its coal imports and coal consumption. A record of 95GW were already added to the grid last year and another 291GW are in the pipeline. These Chinese coal plants are already operating, and they are large-scale units.

    According to the co-authors, this is the “reverse of what we see outside China, where roughly two-thirds of proposed coal capacity never makes it to construction”.

    Therefore, the assumption that China having a decentralized grid of renewables is simply wrong.

  • The long-term bet doesn't look too much different as China will burn coal for a long time to come. Even the government itself admits that as proposals to build coal-fired plants in China reached a record high in 2025:

    The report, released by the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air (CREA) and Global Energy Monitor (GEM), says that, in 2025, developers submitted new or reactivated proposals to build a total of 161 gigawatts (GW) of new coal-fired power plants ...

    The co-authors argue that while clean-energy growth may limit emissions from coal power in the short term, the surge in proposals could lock in new coal assets, “weaken…incentives” for power-system reform and help keep coal capacity online in spite of China’s climate goals.

    The high rate of new proposals, the study says, likely reflects a “rush by the coal industry stakeholders” to develop projects before an expected tightening of climate policy in the next five years ...

  • Yeah, but it's good that Canada's strategy is country agnostic, regardless of who tries to engage in foreign interference. It's bad here and there I would say.

  • The US would have to bomb hundreds of square kilometers of terrain to take down the Chinese grid.

    I am not a military person, but the Chinese grid is extremely weak, and the country depends heavily on coal (it burns more than half of the world's coal). That China runs on sort of a decentralized renewable energy grid is simply a myth.

  • TikTok would be the exception, but it’s regulated by the Chinese government in ways we cannot see or inspect.

    How is Tiktok an exception? It's the same as all the others, and China is quite famous for interference as the article also suggests.

  • The report clearly says that Canadian exporters were already finding alternative markets for canola and other products after Chinese tariffs. It would be much better for Canada to continue this path of diversification.

    China's Xi Jinping isn't any better than Trump. The Chinese government will exploit any dependence in the future through economic and political coercion, will further interfere in Canadian politics, engage in transnational repression on Canadian soil ... all the things we have seen in Canada and all other countries.