Jesus what in the everlasting fuck

There are at least three ML parties in the United States:

FRSO

CPUSA

PSL

just saying: your options are open and they have been growing since the year 2020.

If not, you can check Facebook and Instagram since they're good for finding orgs in your area, various leftist groups and the like.

Barring that, there are AFL-CIO unions, independent labor unions, and the IWW.

Like I said, there are options.

Just thought I'd tell you all this in case you were feeling hopeless or distraught.

I agree that the DSA is... not my first pick. I've defended them, but the "caucus system" is something I don't agree with.

(I'm apart of CPUSA but I want to say that I'm formulating this post as impartially as I can.)

I don't know where you are but I hear mixed things about DSA.

My experience with the DSA in my area makes them laughable at best. This kinda shit from their members or cacuses makes total sense in my experience.

You can join DSA without dues. But obviously do so with a plan and reasonable goals of what you want to get out of it because overall it's an incoherent reformist group that spends most of its time fighting about or talking about things like this. Don't expect too much out of it and it can be a fine first step to getting involved.

You could also just join a different and better group. See who's organizing local pro-Palestine actions, maybe?

I've always defended DSA, even against many, many criticisms that are lobbed at them by other MLs, but this is... wrong.

So... wrong-headed of them to do this.

Let's say that you are in opposition to someone's political project. Imo there are there are four major options available:

• To make pleas

To ask or demand that they cease a course of action such as a war or that they release political prisoners like Leonard Peltier or Mumia Abu-Jamal.

• To listen to your opponent so as to better critique them or to get better information about what moves they are going to make

This is useful in a Khrushchev-type situation because you can quote them directly, debunk their bullshit, and if you're lucky you might even be able to get ahead of where they have signalled they are taking things to provide pre-emptive critique with which to strengthen the counter-movement.

• To grill your opponent

This is more in the style of the dying art of the adversarial journalist. You throw difficult or impossible questions at them and try to trip them up or expose more information than they otherwise would. Unlikely that this would be tolerated from a "friendly" delegation that is being extended the offer of a private audience to much extent.

• Conscientious objection

This is where you are completely opposed to them or where they are doing something unconscionable at the moment. For best effect, attend and then when the hot-button issue gets mentioned or you bring it up, walk out at their response.

(Of course there are a million other options depending on the circumstances such as choosing to meet with king Charles so you can keep your hands in your pockets and spit in his face or to talk enthusiastically about the French or October Revolutions.)

These people are supposed to be part of a political vanguard.

The fact that they are playing at politics like it's a fucking highschool popularity contest speaks volumes about how deeply unserious and oblivious they are. I would have a modicum of respect for them if they had chosen to act in a way that advances their political ends to some extent, even if I disagreed with their goals. This, however, is dismal.

I hope the Cuban government rejects those people who didn't meet with Diaz-Canel and instead met with the opposition leaders next time they apply for a visa.

That's an Insta-gulag right there as far as I'm concerned.

Huh, my trot language filter was tripped by that person in that thread saying they were one of their friends and most effective comrades (salt members here say something pretty similar every time its one of their birthdays). Didn't mention it because why would I

Can't read any additional posts, can someone post a nitter link or something?

Comedy.

Like, why did they even go to Cuba in the first place if they were going to do this? Why even attend?

The DSA will reform the Democratic Party. Just you wait! They may not have moved the Overton window in over 40 years but it’ll happen any day now.

Last I saw they were defending her. Absolute clown shit. She should just be a Democrat Instead of pretending to be anything further left.

It is not good to fed-jacket the entire DSA, though I understand that this incident stirs up feelings.

Honestly, very disappointing.

Actually... No.

Damn, I hope this isn't another case of collective amnesia in leftist spaces again...