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  • I won't speak for you specifically, since we've never interacted, but we both know ML's management are openly supportive of imperialism and genocide.

    You call LW users nazis, but you are more than happy to affiliate with a group that supports russian genocidal imperialism, knowingly lies about the attrocities commited by the russians and openly cheers for the russian army.

    • openly supportive of russian genocidal imperialism

      failing to carry water for the US consensus narrative on all events related to geopolitics does not mean that people automatically support the geopolitical enemies to the fullest extent.

      I outlined my position in the other reply, these servers are not really a monolith other than when it comes time to shut down bigotry

      • other than when it comes time to shut down bigotry

        I came into hexbear disagreeing with something or other that got posted, and then started talking about Biden when someone brought him up. They threatened to kill me, threatened to stab me with an icepick, sent me shit pictures, and then banned me. This whole "they're open to dissent, just not bigotry" is about as convincing as a MAGA person saying "we allow everyone, just not trolls" and then throwing a total unhinged wobbler if anyone ever disagrees with them and then banning the person for "trolling" saying they must have been inviting the wobbler by disagreeing.

        It's a standard playbook for fig-leaf-justifying censoring a space. It actually really works well for producing a bizarre echo-chamber which doesn't really understand what anyone outside the echo chamber believes.

        If your forum allows polite dissent from people on the team, but gives some of the most aggressive hostility and bans I've ever seen to anyone who actually disagrees, just say so and own it. Don't do this bullshit of pretending it is something else.

        • I went and checked, was it on this account? The only thing I see in their modlog is you got a comment removed- this one:

          and like I agree with removing that, it just looks like you're doing this:

          You didn't even get banned.

          Like I've actually tried looking up every time I see someone complaining about draconian mod actions and more often then not it's something that just someone stirring shit and getting their wrist slapped, rather than the free speech 1984 gulag that they go on to complain about elsewhere.

          • My whole instance is defederated from Hexbear as far as I can tell. I can't quite make sense of what shows in their "instances" page, but I'm not in "allowed." Also, entertainingly enough they are apparently happy to make use of my RSS feed communities from rss.ponder.cat, although apparently totally uninterested in the actual news contained there. No one is subscribed to anything except for hackaday.

            Here, look at this: https://ponder.cat/c/[email protected] -- I am subscribed, but it hasn't updated in 6 months ever since I participated in that thread.

            As I explained in that thread when someone sent me that same picture, I am not at all fantasizing about Trump sending pro-Palestinian or pro-migrant people to concentration camps. I'm not by any means happy about it. That's why I tried to stop it from happening and was alarmed when they were uninterested in one particular way of stopping it. Surely that makes sense? Or yes it does, or no?

            • weird, your instance is not defederated on the hexbear side, not sure what's going on there, it definitely looks like you aren't getting posts.

              As I explained in that thread when someone sent me that same picture, I am not at all fantasizing about Trump sending pro-Palestinian or pro-migrant people to concentration camps. I’m not by any means happy about it.

              I get that, but you can see how someone could read that and feel like that's what you were saying?

              That’s why I tried to stop it from happening and was alarmed when they were uninterested in one particular way of stopping it.

              All 80+ mil people who didn't vote aren't on lemmy. Some powerless online anarchists/communists failing to tow the line on shit isn't why the ruling party essentially got swept in an incumbent election. I voted in a blue state for the communist because I agree with what they had to say about things more than I do Democrats or Republicans. It had objectively no impact. Maybe if more of the Democrats who feel as strongly as you fell into line with me instead we could actually be in a position to be using this horrifying war machine for something positive.

              • I thought hexbear used an allowlist rather than a blocklist, but could be wrong about that.

              • Wait - YOU WERE THE ONE who threatened me with an icepick!

                The only thing I’m predicting that I’m meeting your mind with is an icepick

                I was absolutely defederated from the Hexbear side. It actually happened in the middle of that thread, I missed being able to see some of these comments too, until I just checked now to look at all the comments I hadn't received after the defederation:

                i am wishing death and suffering upon you. I hope your life gets materially worse. I hope you get leprosy. I hope you get stabbed. I hope you get long covid. I hope you hang for your collaborationist ways and I hope the hangman fucks up so it's painful

                you get to climb to the top of a very tall building and yeet yourself into the void

                Death threat

                You're free to pretend it is a big mystery why all of a sudden I stopped receiving updates right during the middle of that conversation and then have never received them again. You can compare the comments on my instance to the ones on Hexbear, and see the timestamp (2024-10-31 11:04:23.640156+00) after which I receive no new updated comments.

                Again, this is what Hexbear does (along with the tradition of violent hostility to anything outsider) to protect itself against being exposed to dissenting points of view. Lemmy.ml does the same, just in a more subtle and less shit-picture-based fashion.

                I get that, but you can see how someone could read that and feel like that’s what you were saying?

                You're doing a lot of excuses for how someone could "feel like" one thing someone is saying is actually some other thing. This is the second time you've done that. Actually, after I explained myself in that thread, I still received plenty of people who were telling me all kinds of stuff about what I believe and how I was lying about why I was saying that, just so they could have the mean-spirited fun of "dunking." You've done the same thing here.

                I see you've learned well. My observation is that this is an incredibly popular pastime on lemmy.ml and friends. They tell each other what their "enemies" believe, and then if someone comes in trying to explain anything different, they get super-hostile to an unhinged and violent degree about what the person is actually saying is some totally different thing, and then they get all frothy about it until the person leaves or gets banned.

                Like I say: Waste of time. I'm not sure why I have spent as long on it now as I have.

                Maybe if more of the Democrats who feel as strongly as you fell into line with me instead we could actually be in a position to be using this horrifying war machine for something positive.

                Yeah, y'all sound super productive. I can't wait to fall in line with you and experience all the victory you're in store for. So far, you're killing it.

                • Wait - YOU WERE THE ONE who threatened me with an icepick!

                  The only thing I’m predicting that I’m meeting your mind with is an icepick

                  Guilty

                  For what it's worth I apologize for that, death threats are uncalled for no matter how much trolling someone is doing.

                  to quote one of the other users in that thread:

                  Crybully type shit. You're being dunked on for being horrendously right wing with the unearned smugness of thinking you yourself are "left wing". "Negotiating" with power the way you ask of us here is simply the privilege of not being the next target, or imagining you aren't.

                  My observation is that this is an incredibly popular pastime on lemmy.ml and friends. They tell each other what their “enemies” believe

                  You guys have already demonstrated what you believe, no need to embellish

                  Yeah, y’all sound super productive.

                  Didn't you hear that we were the sole reason the multi-billion dollar Kamala election campaign ate shit? clearly you miscalculated so get in line next time 😎

      • You talk big, yet you wish death to Ukrainians and cheer for russians to capture Ukrainian territory and eradicate Ukrainian culture.

        You're not fooling anyone.

        EDIT: Since you're fine with ice pick murder fantasies, let me say the following:

        I do hope one day you and your fellow tankies get to experience the life of "Donbas Cowboy", Russell Bentley.

        Bentley’s wife, Lyudmila, then claimed that Russian soldiers from a tank battalion abducted him.

        According to the Investigative Committee, Vansyatsky, Agaltsev, and Iordanov tortured Bentley on April 8, and he died shortly afterward.

        Vansyatsky and Agaltsev are suspected of blowing up a car with Bentley’s body in it and ordering Bazhin to get rid of what was left of his remains.

        Just imagine what was going through his mind in those last moments.

        • re: death threat, For the record, I apologized to the guy and he accepted it.

          yet you wish death to Ukrainians and cheers for russians to capture Ukrainian territory and eradicate Ukrainian culture.

          I most certainly do not. You seem primed to construe anything that's not absolute demonization as support though.

          thank you for the "radio free Europe" article I will file that away with the rest of the high quality journalism.

          • thank you for the “radio free Europe” article I will file that away with the rest of the high quality journalism.

            Tankie scum are so predictable. You're so tied to your CIA/BIA narrative that you can't even think straight. The RFE article cites internal russian judicial decisions which can be further cross-referenced by russian propaganda.

            Or are you saying the BIA hacked russian propaganda sources and russian judicial rulings in order to "make the RFE article seem more real"?

            I most certainly do not. You seem primed to construe anything that’s not absolute demonization as support though.

            Don't lie. Tankie scum denies russian atrocities in Ukraine. "Bucha never happened, tens of thousands of Ukrainian civilians aren't held in concentration camps in occupied territories, Ukrainian language and culture aren't prosecuted in occupied territories." I've had multiple tankie roaches tell me this on Lemmy.

            But the worst part is that you do this merely due to internet roleplay reasons. You don't speak russian, you don't speak Ukrainian. You've never lived in russia, you've never lived in Ukraine.

            You couldn't even use common sense to figure out that stating "BIA wrote that fake article" logically does not work (even if you are a tankie), because you can cross validate it in 30 seconds via a russian language search that clearly shows russian propaganda channels saying the same thing as RFE (and you can even find the formal russian judicial ruling on government websites).

            Let's hope Russell Bentley's learning experience is something you and other tankie scum will experience as well!

            • You’re so tied to your CIA/BIA narrative

              What is BIA in this context?

              I was just mocking the source because it's just a window into how you engage with the world. My dismissive response was because you felt the need to wish the same fate upon me simply by your association.

              I'm not denying the story at all, The reporting has been circulating for a while. It was a fucked up situation and the way you revel in it is gross, makes all of your accusations feel more like projections.

              But the worst part is that you do this merely due to internet roleplay reason. You don’t speak russian, you don’t speak Ukrainian. You’ve never lived in russia, you’ve never in Ukraine.

              I do have family there and I've visited dozens of times over the years. I'm not interested in potentially doxxing myself though, I also have nothing to prove to you. You can continue to believe whatever you want about me, you seem content to believe whatever makes you feel comfortable anyways.

              tankie scum

              tankie roaches

              this kinda talk just makes you just sound like a nazi who's found a way to hang out in liberal spaces by vocally hating the people they hate

              • It's not a window into how I engage with the world. It's an article. How you reacted to it is clearly a window into your world (no one is buying your mea culpa).

                So you are vatnik in addition to being a tankie? Worst of both worlds. And a foreign vatnik to boot as well! Those are the most entertaining ones.

                Here you go again with your standard tankie polemic copytext. I am not American, in Europe "liberal" means something different.

                It is fair and just to wish harm on people who are committed to bring death and suffering to your family, to your fellow citizens. I will note throughout this whole conversation you never once made any kind of statement that perhaps the russian are doing bad things. I wonder why this would be the case?

                Don't start with your projection BS.

                We both saw that you randomly fantasized about killing some random internet user with an ice pick.

                Unlike you, I am not hiding behind anything and playing dumb. You and your tankie scum support genocide and wish me and my family and fellow citizens harm.

                As a result, I wish that you and other tankie scum like you end up like the Donbas cowboy.

                What exactly am I projecting here? Be clear and specific, don't play dumb.

                As I said, earlier let’s hope Russell Bentley’s learning experience is something you and other tankie scum will experience as well!

                • We both saw that you randomly fantasized about killing some random internet user with an ice pick.

                  the same user admitted to being a jerk in the exchange as well, and not proud of their behavior in the runup to that very response. As far as I'm concerned that has been reconciled, even if we disagree.

                  You and your tankie scum support genocide and wish me and my family and fellow citizens harm.

                  I'm an anarchist, you are the one who declare me a tankie because at the end it's just a pejorative, like calling me a slur. You then go on contriving positions for me to hold on your mind.

                  re: calling me vatnik, I find jingoism from any direction off-putting, but go off.

                  What exactly am I projecting here?

                  as I said in my previous post, you seem like a Nazi who has latched onto the appropriate targets for the company you keep

                  • Tankie is a descriptive term. A supporter of authoritarian faux-communist regimes (i.e. russia and China). Try telling an average person on the street about "tankie discrimination" and you'll see what I mean.

                    as I said in my previous post, you seem like a Nazi who has latched onto the appropriate targets for the company you keep

                    This makes no sense at all.

                    I am a Nazi (i.e. I want my own extermination) and to promote my alleged agenda I decided to join LW which in the bigger scope of things means nothing at all (don't forget Lemmy as a whole has a mere ~50K MAU).

                    Do you even read what you write?

                    • Tankie is a descriptive term.

                      When you call me 'tankie scum' or 'tankie roach' it's a pejorative.

                      I said:

                      as I said in my previous post, you seem like a Nazi who has latched onto the appropriate targets for the company you keep

                      My meaning is you use language around enemies like nazis do, referring to your (perceived) enemies as subhuman, something to be exterminated. My observation is that it's acceptable in portions of the fediverse to use that sort of language as long as it is directed at an appropriate geopolitical foe (ie russia/russians).

                      If you're someone who would be targeted by Nazis then maybe you should think with greater depth about recycling their rhetoric.

                      • When you call me ‘tankie scum’ or ‘tankie roach’ it’s a pejorative.

                        And why is it wrong to call individuals who oppose self-determination for nations, support authoritarianism and deny genocide, scum and roaches?

                        My meaning is you use language around enemies like nazis do, referring to your (perceived) enemies as subhuman, something to be exterminated. My observation is that it’s acceptable in portions of the fediverse to use that sort of language as long as it is directed at an appropriate geopolitical foe (ie russia/russians).

                        Bold words coming from someone who publicly fantasized about killing another poster with an ice-pick (note the pro-Stalinist connection).

                        An overwhelming majority of russians support imperialism and a strong majority are genocidal imperialists. Just because you claim "this is BIA propaganda", doesn't make it true. And most references by tankies are easy to prove false (as I just did with your "I’m not denying the story at all").

                        You talk about "greater depth", what does even this mean? You can't even get your basic story right. You claim to have relatives in Ukraine, yet this whole time your sole message has been about white-washing and supporting russian genocidal imperialism (say it ain't so). That's why you are tankie scum! Is this not a reasonable take?

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